West Bertozzi Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Looking to add anti horde...as an example could I create say a soup list battalion detatchment where I lose chapter bonuses of say Ultramarines with a single unit of aggressors and use sfts? I wish I never painted anything blue, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 As long as you are battleforged, you get Command Points, and as long as you have command points, you can spend them on the units that have the appropriate Chapter Keyword. So yes, you can have a soup marine list and as long as you have an infantry raven guard unit, it can use Strike From the Shadows. That being said, none of your units will get their appropriate Chapter Tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5034370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyNidus Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Okay to use the space marine stratagem, you must have a space marines detachment, i.e. The detachment comprises only units from the space marines codex. Once you have 1 detachment, you can use the SM stratagems for all your SM units, even if they aren't in the same detachment. Whether or not you have to have an "Raven Guard" detachment to use the Raven Guard stratagem, that i'm not sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5034680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Quick look at the Strategem page seems straight forward enough? Does your army include a <Space Marine> detachment? If yes then you can use all applicable C:SM stratagems. Requirement for SftS is must be RG infantry. So any RG infantry in your Space Marine "soup" list can use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Quick look at the Strategem page seems straight forward enough? Does your army include a <Space Marine> detachment? If yes then you can use all applicable C:SM stratagems. Requirement for SftS is must be RG infantry. So any RG infantry in your Space Marine "soup" list can use it. I can’t argue the logic but seems like it could get real cheesy. Imagine ... Ultramarine Intercessors Raven Guard Aggressors Dark Angel Hellblasters Blood Angel Interceptors and Reivers And that’s just using Primaris units :eek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 But in a soup list you'd loose access to Chapter Tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 But in a soup list you'd loose access to Chapter Tactics. As well as the HQ buffs (or, rather, they'd only affect the Chapter they were keyed too). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think aura's still work as they're keyed off Chapter Keyword. Which they still retain even if you mix. You just lose the CT bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think aura's still work as they're keyed off Chapter Keyword. Which they still retain even if you mix. You just lose the CT bonus. Yeah, I'm not suggesting you lose them, just that they get diminishing returns which each successive Soup unit you throw in the mix that can't leverage the HQ's aura. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Bertozzi Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's great it can be done, but it just so mind blowing that I just cant believe it. lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5035901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 If you don’t mind losing your chapter tactics and spending a boatload of command points then I guess it’s worth it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5036029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusterthreeonesix Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's great it can be done, but it just so mind blowing that I just cant believe it. lol I mean, you could just take a Raven Guard detachment instead and have the agressors in it. Giving up chapter tactics for the detachment to get access to a couple of strategems not a crazy exploit or anything. It's a trade off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345339-stratagem-confusion-sfts/#findComment-5036099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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