grimsanity Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'm thinking of adding some custodes to my sisters. I know point wise their expensive so has anyone had good luck with them and what do you have them do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkde Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Shield Captain on Dawn Eagle Jetbike with hurricane bolters, Auric Aurelias? (3+ Invul/reroll charges relic) and Superior Creation warlord trait (5++ ignore wounds). The guy is a beast for 160pts and basically acts as a second Celestine. I've had great success running him at a few ITC tournaments, really brings the secret sauce in my list. I haven't tried the rest of the Custodes units, nor do I really intend to. As you stated they're expensive points wise. Only downside to running the Shield Captain above is that we lose access to the Adepta Sororitas Relic sword, as a work around I've just been equipping my frontline Cannoness with an evisorator instead. List is here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342035-2000pts-chapter-approved-sisters/ Also: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343662-custodes-and-sororitas/ Edited March 18, 2018 by bkde Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5034915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsanity Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Thank you for the info. Do you run him and Celestine together in the same group? Edited March 18, 2018 by grimsanity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5034929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkde Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Thank you for the info. Do you run him and Celestine together in the same group? I'm unsure what you mean...like in the same detachment? Or use them together? I usually run a Battalion and an Outrider, I just shuffle my HQ's around so the Battalion is all Sororitas models (to take advantage of the Obsec on the troops and so I get access to the Martyrdom/Deny stratagems from Chapter Approved). The Custodes fits in the Outrider detachment. Tactically, having the Custodes as the Warlord means I can play looser with Celestine. Turn one typically involves AoFing Celestine to move, then moving her again in the move phase (effectively letting her move 24"+avg 7" charge, means 31" threat range), and using the other AoF to double move a squad of meltapistol Seraphim (12" AoF move, 12" normal move, 6" meltapistol range -> 30" threat range). The Custodes just advances up as a second wave, shoots off a bucket of bolter shots or advances to get in better charge position. If Celestine is killed, then she either resurrects in my opponents backline or is positioned midfield-ish for a Turn 2 charge/assault. Turn 2 rolls around and both Celestine and the Custodes will be in position to charge different targets, the same target, shoot different targets and charge others, etc... They are both great toolbox units, and the ability to fly (fallback and shoot, ignore vertical distance while charging) is just icing on the cake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5035075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Regarding relics, I recall the Custode book has access to an extra relics stratagem, so you could pick the Super Sisters Sword back up if you appointed some defensible other sister as warlord. Also, possibly speaking of extra relics, have you considered the Custode Praetorian plate keyed to Celli to piggy-back off her mobility, or is arriving on their combat phase too slow? This could fit in the second HQ slot of an outrider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5035083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsanity Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 @bkde I ment using them together but I see the jet bike hits from one angle and Celestine and company hit another. Thank you the help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5035094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkde Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Regarding relics, I recall the Custode book has access to an extra relics stratagem, so you could pick the Super Sisters Sword back up if you appointed some defensible other sister as warlord. Also, possibly speaking of extra relics, have you considered the Custode Praetorian plate keyed to Celli to piggy-back off her mobility, or is arriving on their combat phase too slow? This could fit in the second HQ slot of an outrider. There's a weird interaction between the Chap Approved wording and the Custodes Codex wording. The Custodes book strategem allows one extra relic for a custodes character, however to gain access to the Custodes strategems you need to run a custodes detachment, patrol would be easiest due to the points cost of the models. In order to take the Blade of Admonition, it's necessary to make a Sororitas model your warlord, losing out on the 5+ ignore wounds warlord trait for the custodes and the option for the custodes warlord to take the 3++/reroll charge custodes relic (without running a custodes detachment). The Blade of Admonition is amazing for sure, I just opted instead to have the biker captain as warlord for 5+ and free custodes relic (because he's warlord), and will kit out my cannoness with an evisorator (which is still pretty choppy in melee). At least until a new Sisters book is released (maybe?) and we get access to an "open the vaults of the ecclesiarchy" strategem, allowing a second relic to be chosen for a Adepta Sororitas model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5035115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsanity Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 wip list. ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [49 PL, 911pts] ++ + HQ + Canoness [4 PL, 76pts]: Combi-melta, Eviscerator Celestine [14 PL, 250pts]: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia + Elites + Ministorum Priest [3 PL, 54pts]: Eviscerator, Plasma pistol Repentia Squad [9 PL, 136pts]: 8x Repentia Vindicare Assassin [5 PL, 90pts] + Heavy Support + Retributor Squad [5 PL, 94pts] . Retributor Superior: Plasma pistol, Storm bolter . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter + Dedicated Transport + Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 112pts]: Heavy flamer, Storm bolter, Storm bolter Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 112pts]: Heavy flamer, Storm bolter, Storm bolter Sororitas Rhino [4 PL, 77pts]: 2x Storm bolter ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [32 PL, 704pts] ++ + HQ + Canoness [4 PL, 51pts]: Power maul, Storm bolter Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 164pts]: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Superior Creation, Warlord + Fast Attack + Dominion Squad [5 PL, 67pts] . Dominion Superior: Plasma pistol, Storm bolter . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter Dominion Squad [5 PL, 146pts] . Dominion Superior: Combi-melta, Inferno pistol . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun Seraphim Squad [4 PL, 102pts] . 2x Seraphim . Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword . Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols . Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols Seraphim Squad [4 PL, 102pts] . 2x Seraphim . Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword . Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols . Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols + Heavy Support + Retributor Squad [5 PL, 131pts] . Retributor Superior: Combi-flamer, Plasma pistol . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer . Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer + Dedicated Transport + Immolator [5 PL, 105pts]: Immolation Flamer, Storm bolter ++ Total: [95 PL, 1869pts] ++ I’m working on filling the missing points. This is my all comers list with the shield captain. Celestine and company race up, doms in repressors, flame rets in immolator, Bolter rets in back field, repenta in rhino with priests and evisorator canoness( people at my gaming place seem to ignore them untill its to late). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5035128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkde Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'd drop the flamer rets for three squads of boltgun battle sisters. Lets you shuffle some stuff around to make a Sororitas battalion (extra 3CP's) as well as giving you bodies to screen out your backfield to keep the HB rets and Vindicare safe. Adding in the BSS and shuffling around your Cannonesses would also create an Adepta sororitas detachment, giving access to the excellent martyrdom strategem (to take advantage of when your sororitas characters die) and the 4+ deny strategem (for shutting down those psychic powers you just need to shut down). I could be mistaken but I don't believe "Adeptus Ministorum" gives access to the strategems, it needs to be Adepta Sororitas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345366-sisters-with-custodes-ally-question/#findComment-5035331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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