Raven1 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Wondering what you all think is the better power on say a unit Tzaangors is if you could only choose one. Anyone good at math that can hammer it out would be appreciated as well, or just general comments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Weaver of fate is a universal +25% defensive boost. Glamour of Tzeentch depends on the ennemy BS. The lower the initial BS, the better it gets. For example : Glamour reduces Ork BS by 50% (ie : it's a +50% defensive boost for your Tzaangors) Glamour reduces Guard / Tau BS by 33.33%. Glamour reduces Custodes BS by 20%. However, Glamour does nothing for auto-hitting weapons. Weaver is also easier to cast (WC6 vs WC7). I think taking both is mandatory anyway. Sonoftherubric21 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5035996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Nym, could you explain how weaver is a 25% universal defensive boost? It makes sense if it takes a 3++ to a 2++, but it doesn't seem that way to me when cast on for instance tzaangors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5036036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I was specifically talking about Tzaangors (5+ going to 4+). Of course, it depends on the initial save of the target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5036404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 And then it would make the save 50% better, as far as I can figure :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5037734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Or a total of 16% more of the saves will succeed if you want to think of it that way. Edited March 22, 2018 by Paladin777 Sonoftherubric21 and sneakybamsen 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5037828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 50% more durable is a salesmanship pitch, 16% more saves is the pessimist/realist. sneakybamsen 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5037987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re'Koleq't Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 50% of the time it works every time! Buy now! Haha Still a great power though. Don't choose; always try and combine Glamour and Weaver to make the most of 'the sum of its parts being greater than the whole'... I think this is quite a tenet for our Legion reallly. Edited March 22, 2018 by Re'Koleq't sneakybamsen, Paladin777 and Sonoftherubric21 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5038002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 50% of the time it works every time! Buy now! Haha Still a great power though. Don't choose; always try and combine Glamour and Weaver to make the most of 'the sum of its parts being greater than the whole'... I think this is quite a tenet for our Legion reallly. I couldn't agree more! I think the sons really more then any other can take something "meh" and make it "great", its probably why my daemon engines (defiler and forge fiend) put in so much work, take something decent and buff it into the stratosphere, take an already great unit and make it ludicrously effective at its job. Much easier to argue for anything in our codex once you see the plethora of options we have across the board for them, easy access spells, strategems, and the RR1's aura. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5039773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 I usually run them with a Tzaangor Shaman and demon prince. I like putting warp time and diabolic strength powers on the demon prince. I want to ensure that charge for when the Tzaangors come down. I might switch the claws out for the sword next game and drop diabolic strength Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5039790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re'Koleq't Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Termie Sorcerer with familiar can drop in for the tzaangor warp time fun. It's a little risky for the sorcerer if no back up around but better odds of casting the crucial power. Unless you make you DP the warlord for the +1 cast, but I prefer Ahri and that's another topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5040475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Yeah go full whack = deep strike, warptime, prescience, WoF and Go t You'll get in turn 1 do more damage and be tough to clear Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345409-glamour-of-tzeentch-or-weaver-of-fates/#findComment-5043157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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