Claything_IV Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 While building my Custodes force I equipped everything which could handle an castellan axe with said axe. (To be honest wounding Adeptus Astartes on 2 was pretty convincing aswell.) After quite a few games and my troop Custodian Guard performed pretty well I took a clooser look and kinda came to the conclusion that the guardian spear is enough of a meele weapon to be awesome. My point is that the guardian spear brings your guys to strength 6 in meele, with -3 ap for 2 points less than a castellan axe. You don't wound as easy, but your opponent doesn't save "as easy" and is most likely to use his invul save aswell. Am I praising the guardian spears too much or is somebody else also thinking about armore penetration being better than higher strength? Without having to spend the cp on castellan strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnaughty Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Against GEQ and MEQ its a wash, they both do the same. Anything tougher then T4 and the axe becomes better. Anything will an invul the axe will be better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Agreed Deadnaughty. Also the lances for Vertus Praetors is really good too whenever they charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Axes on anything that can take them :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Hitting the S8 threshold is pretty key to wound MEQs on 2+ and most tanks on 3+. Thats why you take them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Agreed ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 +1 wound is pretty sweet though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 If your hardcore Custodes then you know we run.into these vehicle issues and that’s where I like the axe. I’ve had games where a bloody Rhino feels like it could literally hold up the entire 10,000! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Always axes except for grunts. Axes rock monsters too. /thumbsup Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Yeah, I was watching a batrep recently. 5 Wardens made it into combat with a Lord of Change... But were equipped with spears and only did a few wounds because they were wounding on 5s. They'd likely have killed it in one turn if they had the Axes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5052765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Custodians can’t take axes btw guys lol. Only wardens and allarus. Otherwise yea. 2 point difference. But sometimes that -2 vs -3. Makes a difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Custodians can’t take axes btw guys lol. Only wardens and allarus. Otherwise yea. 2 point difference. But sometimes that -2 vs -3. Makes a difference. I think everyone knows that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Yeah, I was watching a batrep recently. 5 Wardens made it into combat with a Lord of Change... But were equipped with spears and only did a few wounds because they were wounding on 5s. They'd likely have killed it in one turn if they had the Axes. Which channel was it if you don't mind me asking ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Custodians can’t take axes btw guys lol. Only wardens and allarus. Otherwise yea. 2 point difference. But sometimes that -2 vs -3. Makes a difference. I think everyone knows that. Sorry. Must have misunderstood. The title of the thread is custodians with spear or axe. And OPs opening comments seem to imply he was using custodians with spears over axes. Sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraWlad Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Sorry. Must have misunderstood. The title of the thread is custodians with spear or axe. And OPs opening comments seem to imply he was using custodians with spears over axes. Sorry. Everyone from the Codex is a "Custodian", be it Custodian Guard, Custodian Warden, Allarus Custodians and so on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Spears for me. They're cheaper and I always save CP for +1W, which works out better on anything T6 or below, and on par with Axes for T8/7 (if the Axes use 1 CP for +1AP. But the Axe strat is additionally limited by numbers, where as the Spear one isn't). I stick Axes on Characters, where I'm unlikely to want to spend CP on a single model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Spears for me. They're cheaper and I always save CP for +1W, which works out better on anything T6 or below, and on par with Axes for T8/7 (if the Axes use 1 CP for +1AP. But the Axe strat is additionally limited by numbers, where as the Spear one isn't). I stick Axes on Characters, where I'm unlikely to want to spend CP on a single model. You put spears on Wardens and Allarus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Yup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I think I Mathed it ot once. 5 custodians with spears and +1 wound stratagem ca 4 axe allarus. And it’s very very close. So really depends what you will be facing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Even spending 1 CP to be effective is not worth it with this army, in my opinion. Axes always wound Marines on a 2+, most vehicles on a 3+ and even t8 enemies on a 4+ without any required bonuses. Obv Custodian Guard are stuck with spears, but everyone else should be taking Axes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Yea. I agree. But it’s hard to take voice of spear vs axe purely in isolation cause it costs you more to take the models where axe is a choice. So between a larger number of models and spears and a smaller number of models and axes, maybe it all comes out even. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5053971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I agree with Ishagu for the reasons he has given. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5054013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I would submit that Custodes should have a new unit that can take a new Cawl invention called the Salvo-Spax. Thus combining both weapons, and including a Salvo launcher firing mode solving several issues at once while giving us a new model variant. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5054181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Lol don’t entice them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346089-custodians-with-spear-or-axe/#findComment-5054208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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