Xenith Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I want a HH BA army, I also want a Flesh Tearer army, but I have a 40k BA army, so want to do something different. I'm thinking of going in Amit's direction with Scouring era Flesh Tearers. So the exact timeline is a bit fuzzy, although with the loss of Sanguinius, Azkellon accepted the break up to codex chapters relatively quickly, so we can assume that the FT were around before Dorn's self flagellation crusade, and were thus present for most of the scouring. If I made a HH/Scouring era Flesh Tearer army, with the black helms and pauldrons, people aren't going to object, right? Any ideas where the black pauldrons and helm came from? They don't match any of the limited images of Amit we have seen so far. Thoughts and opinions welcome! Aiming to do a test model or two soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 The Second Founding occurred after the Scouring (and after Dorn's little adventures), so they wouldn't exist as a chapter quite yet and they'd still be using Blood Angels markings. But that still leaves room for the marines under Amit to use a little more black in their color scheme, especially after Sanguinius's death, and you might see small Flesh Tearer icons in additional to the legion symbols. Don't take it too far; Amit was particularly upset about splitting up the legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProsperoStands Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I would call that a fantastic idea. I would have no issue playing against a BA/FT army like that in 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechadryad Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 There's this lovely thing with alternate colour schemes called "Artistic Licence" so long as what they're meant to be still comes through If you use black helms and pauldrons it can be passed off as a form of company markings. I'd suggest keeping the insignias to a minimal as much as possible if you want to use them for 30k and 40k. In relation to the lore, Azkellon was more overcome with too much distraught to properly comprehend what was being suggested much like most of the Blood Angels. Amit However was vehamitlgy against the notion and saw Guilliman as being opportunistic, going so far as to publicly call him out on it (He even wrote a poem) and remained fleetborne with no restriction to numbers (as fleetborne chapters don't have to follow the 1000 rule) until he fell to the back rage around three millennia later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I don't think the black helms and pauldrons would be at all out of place in your FT Company. A small saw blade marking on the corner of the pauldron or a slightly larger version on the knee would be proper. You could show it more prominently on a company banner..... Just some thoughts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Have you read “Fear to Tread” Xenith? The 5th Company have quite a bit of screen time in it, and they are led by Nassir Amit, the “Flesh Tearer”. They eventually become the 40k Chapter we know and love. Also, Heresy Blood Angels definitely seem to have more black in their heraldry than the 40k counterparts. Have a look at Book VI for a good example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Good to see the positive feedback guys, thanks! Paint wise, they would be somewhere in between, brighter reds like 30k BA instead of the gore red of 40k FT's, with the black pauldrons. The main issue is whether they get a saw blade chapter badge, or retain the winged drop for now. The Second Founding occurred after the Scouring (and after Dorn's little adventures), so they wouldn't exist as a chapter quite yet and they'd still be using Blood Angels markings. My impression on the order of events was: Retreat of traitors from terra Arrival of ultramarines Unspecified amount of time passes, Blood Angels return to Baal to recover Guilliman passes codex/second founding decree, Azkellon accepts, Russ and Dorn reject Tension between Guilliman and Dorn, threatens to cause another war Dorn goes on whatever that crusade was called to unmake his legion and prepare for second founding Meaning the second founding probably is not an event at a single point in time, but more spread out over years to a few decades Have you read “Fear to Tread” Xenith? Yup, but not since it came out - Flesh of Cretacia and Sons of Wrath are also excellent reads! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 RE the Sawblade, Amit has it on his kneepad - probably just a nice bit of Chapter Heraldry. He also has a black back pack here. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/ed/Nassir_Amit_Horus_Heresy.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20161110115848 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arion Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 The main issue is whether they get a saw blade chapter badge, or retain the winged drop for now. Usually, the left pauldron bears the Legion insigna (save for MkV armour where the left pauldron is usually studded and the insigna is on the right pauldron) which leaves the right pauldron for company and squad markings. You could have the winged blood drop on the left and the sawblade on the right. My favorite set-up being having the right pauldron with a squad decal and on the bottom right corner of the pauldron, the company marking. It's more discreet that way. Also a good call to have it on one of the knee pads. My 0.02$ :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 https://heresyproject.deviantart.com/art/Flesh-Tearer-424832690 https://heresyproject.deviantart.com/art/Cataphractii-by-David-Sondered-424832223 Might help. + If you look at the new BA transfer sheet from FW, you will notice there are several badges that later became the chapter symbols of both Flesh Eaters and Blood Drinkers. Of course we don't know yet what they represent in IX Legion heraldry but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 https://heresyproject.deviantart.com/art/Flesh-Tearer-424832690 https://heresyproject.deviantart.com/art/Cataphractii-by-David-Sondered-424832223 Might help. + If you look at the new BA transfer sheet from FW, you will notice there are several badges that later became the chapter symbols of both Flesh Eaters and Blood Drinkers. Of course we don't know yet what they represent in IX Legion heraldry but still. Those are great, thanks! I'd probably go more black than those, at least the pauldrons, maybe a black helm stripe. I'd have to work in how I'd do the gold. The idea was a super weathered, battle worn army, which doesn't lend itself to too much ornamentation - a past echo of what the FT's will become. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 By jove I think you've got it ;) Maybe a black power pack too though, just to really push it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Haha, thanks, this is my BA test model, but I might go back and add some more black. Black backpack at least. I hate painting those things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346129-flesh-tearers-during-the-heresyscouring/#findComment-5053804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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