Marshal Rohr Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So I have recently purchased the Beast Arises series solely to determine where in the galaxy the planet was at the time of the Luna Wolves invasion. I couldn't find anything specific in the novels, which leaves the only other clues being the Orks fled to regions like the Kyvas Belt and Chondax after the empire was destroyed(Galactic Coreward) and the battle of Gorro took place in something called the Tellon Reach - Which sounds like it might be in the Segmentum Solar. Is it possible Ullanor was somewhere near Golgotha? Thanks for your help/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I'm pretty sure it's modern day Armageddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5053990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 I'm pretty sure it's modern day Armageddon. Right, but before that, I'm wondering where it was. Was it way out there like Istvaan? Maybe close to the Galactic Core? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5053993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargamer Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I'm pretty sure it's modern day Armageddon. Right, but before that, I'm wondering where it was. Was it way out there like Istvaan? Maybe close to the Galactic Core? He's saying Ullanor is now called Armageddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5053995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I believe the Mechanicus “moved” Ullanor before it became Armageddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Well Goro was in the Telion Reach and was described by the Emperor as "The Telon Reach was but a satrapy of the largest empire we have ever encountered" so I would hazard a guess that Ullanor would be near it. I'm pretty sure it's modern day Armageddon. Right, but before that, I'm wondering where it was. Was it way out there like Istvaan? Maybe close to the Galactic Core? He's saying Ullanor is now called Armageddon. Yes, but the good Marshal wants to know where it was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I think it’s between Lorin Alpha (referenced early) Chondax and Kayvas Belt (where Orks retreated) Just to the north west of The Maelstrom. Incidentally, if you look at the FW HH book maps, while Ullanor is nowhere listed, the area described above has an Ork icon in the background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargamer Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Armageddon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 I think it’s between Lorin Alpha (referenced early) Chondax and Kayvas Belt (where Orks retreated) Just to the north west of The Maelstrom. Incidentally, if you look at the FW HH book maps, while Ullanor is nowhere listed, the area described above has an Ork icon in the background. Thats what made me wonder too. See, that conclusion I get - and would make sense with the Attack moon appearing so close to Terra in the first tBA novel, but it makes me wonder how the biggest threat to the Imperium since the Rangda Xenocidex survived so close to the Segmentum Solar, you know? The Xenocides happened out at the frontier, but the Golgothan Wastes are much closer. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Armageddon Ullanor was teleported into the Pelucidar system, and renamed Armageddon by the fabricator general. Before that, it was in a separate location. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Thats what made me wonder too. See, that conclusion I get - and would make sense with the Attack moon appearing so close to Terra in the first tBA novel, but it makes me wonder how the biggest threat to the Imperium since the Rangda Xenocidex survived so close to the Segmentum Solar, you know? The Xenocides happened out at the frontier, but the Golgothan Wastes are much closer. Because the galaxy is a big place, and as the fluff has referenced in multiple editions, the Imperium is spread thin across it. Most stars don't have an imperial presence; hell, they've probably never had a human. It would be folly to think the stars closest to Sol wouldn't have been visited and marked, but too much father out, and it becomes much more likely. In the chaos of the Heresy and the Scouring afterwards, many systems were forgotten. One was just Ullanor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Thats what made me wonder too. See, that conclusion I get - and would make sense with the Attack moon appearing so close to Terra in the first tBA novel, but it makes me wonder how the biggest threat to the Imperium since the Rangda Xenocidex survived so close to the Segmentum Solar, you know? The Xenocides happened out at the frontier, but the Golgothan Wastes are much closer. Because the galaxy is a big place, and as the fluff has referenced in multiple editions, the Imperium is spread thin across it. Most stars don't have an imperial presence; hell, they've probably never had a human. It would be folly to think the stars closest to Sol wouldn't have been visited and marked, but too much father out, and it becomes much more likely. In the chaos of the Heresy and the Scouring afterwards, many systems were forgotten. One was just Ullanor. The description of the Ullanor Empire in Wolf of Ash in Fire though is super expansive. Gorro itself is one world in the Telion Reach, and the Emperor zooms out the show Horus hundreds of such worlds in the Empire, all loyalty to Ullanor. What I'm looking for here is something as simple as a Segmentum. Nothing a specific as a marker on a map. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qkhitai Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I always assumed it was in the Segmentum Obscurus to the north, as I thought I read something about the Chromes fleeing south from the Orks in The Beast Arises. But I might be totally misremembering/making that up - I didn't pay much attention to the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 I always assumed it was in the Segmentum Obscurus to the north, as I thought I read something about the Chromes fleeing south from the Orks in The Beast Arises. But I might be totally misremembering/making that up - I didn't pay much attention to the series. That made me curious as well, but I think my investigation has made Golgotha and the Golgothan Wastes an impossibility since that region of space was purged by Angron. A happy discovery, but it definitely makes me thin farther north and west will yield solid results. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileposter Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I am grateful for threads like this because it helps the rest of us learn more lore. Today I learned that the Mechanicus has the ability to teleport planets. And that the Orks invented it first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 *had the ability to teleport planets. As with all great things in the imperium, it got lost over time. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So the heresy-era galactic map doesn't show Ullanor for some reason, which seems bizarre frankly. It does however show Chondax, where the WS went to clean up immediately after Ullanor, and which might be close? At any rate it was part of the empire, like Goro. If we take the big ork skull to indicate some broad ork-space, that might put it in or adjacent to the Golgothan Wastes. North of the maelstrom. As you say that shouldn't work based on Angron and the WE's activities* but to be honest I suspect a lot of the timeline of expansion in the great crusade (as measured by the discovery of the primarchs) just doesn't make sense when treated linearly as fleet movement in whatever direction out from Terra. A map of stable warp routes or worlds the Emperor already had knowledge of (Fenris and Medusa) would probably be more useful than a two-dimensional 'top-down' image. I suspect some areas and primarchs were essentially leap-frogged by the expeditionary fleets. * And the presence of Sanguinius at the triumph, Baal is further northwest in an almost straight line from Terra to Chondax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reckoning Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 *had the ability to teleport planets. As with all great things in the imperium, it got lost over time. :D Just wait a couple years... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5054156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Cawl planeteleporter 3000. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 *had the ability to teleport planets. As with all great things in the imperium, it got lost over time. :D The Mechanicus (almost) never delete anything. But Magi aren't big on sharing so a lot of things get hidden away selfishly locked away, and Cawl might temporarily forget which memory stack he left that knowledge in. It also just may not have come up as a useful thing to do since. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileposter Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Uhm... I think the funnier part is being overlooked. The Orks had it first. The Orks, who care little to nothing about technology, invented some technology before the Mechanicus, an organization all about doing crazy things with technology. That's funny as hell to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If you know enough about Orks and especially Krork then it's not that funny to be honest. They have extremely advanced technology at hand and can build it from basically nothing. They are not the savages as they appear to most, they simply don't care too much about out-tech the AdMech, T'au or whatever. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Uhm... I think the funnier part is being overlooked. The Orks had it first. The Orks, who care little to nothing about technology, invented some technology before the Mechanicus, an organization all about doing crazy things with technology. That's funny as hell to me. Orks often have more advanced tech than the imperium. Their innate understanding of how to build it, maintain it, and use it is covered up by the fact that they can't imagine the use of any of it except for war, and to our understanding Orks seem dumb. But any individual Ork is just as smart as your average human. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileposter Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I don't mean to suggest Orks are stupid - I know them to be quite the opposite. They have technology... They just, as a whole, don't care about technology. Hence the humor of learning this fact had for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargamer Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I like the idea of Orks having teleporters. It explains how they seem to appear whenever two people have a fight that lasts longer than twenty minutes. Seriously, is there any major Imperial campaign that doesn't have a section where Orks show up for some reason? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Well Orks are basically everywhere spreadout through the galaxy and always get drawn towards where fights are so it's not really a surprise or real stretch to keep finding Orks at battlezones. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346160-where-in-the-galaxy-is-carmener-the-planet-ullanor/#findComment-5058683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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