Mordian Volly Fire stratagem?

[domsto]

Hello everybody

 

So i was looking throw the Stratagems recently and the Mordian only Stratagem "Volley Fire" caught my attention.

 

How does it work?

or rather do i understand this correctly

 

so if a Models fires and roll a 6+ the model is allow to fire again.

But what if i roll 2 6+ for this model?

is it allowed to fire a third time?

Because it says that for every 6+ it can immediately shoot again

and it says shoot again with the same weapon, so if i am in rapid fire this would be 2 extra shots. With order even 4 shots!!!

 

that seems very strong to me so i think i might get something wrong here

 

Some Mordian Veterans here to help me out?

[our_baz]

Hello everybody

 

So i was looking throw the Stratagems recently and the Mordian only Stratagem "Volley Fire" caught my attention.

 

How does it work?

or rather do i understand this correctly

 

so if a Models fires and roll a 6+ the model is allow to fire again.

But what if i roll 2 6+ for this model?

is it allowed to fire a third time?

Because it says that for every 6+ it can immediately shoot again

and it says shoot again with the same weapon, so if i am in rapid fire this would be 2 extra shots. With order even 4 shots!!!

 

that seems very strong to me so i think i might get something wrong here

 

Some Mordian Veterans here to help me out?

This is covered in the FAQ I believe.

 

Only the first 6+ gives you an additional shot. So for example you have 8 lasgun shots in Rapid fire range. So 16 shots. You roll 2 6's. Therefore you get 4 further shots (if these roll a 6, you do not get an additional roll).

This Strategem can be couple with FRFSRF and additonal orders (via laurels of command) for some comical dice rolling.

I've used this stratagem myself on a blob of 20 grunts, with FRFSRF+bring it down via (laurels of command) in rapid fire range. Carnage ensued.

 

Edit: Spelling and rules error

[domsto]

In which FAQ you found this?

I looked all the FAQ and couldn't find anything.

 

And as i read it you don't get a extra shot for every 6+ the Model is allowede to shoot a second time.

 

So in your axample that would be 4 extra shot because of rapid fire

[our_baz]

In which FAQ you found this?

I looked all the FAQ and couldn't find anything.

 

And as i read it you don't get a extra shot for every 6+ the Model is allowede to shoot a second time.

 

So in your axample that would be 4 extra shot because of rapid fire

My apologies it wasn't covered in the FAQ (i was thinking of something else). However in the description  for the stratagem in says this..."...these bonus attacks to cannot themselves generate any further attacks).

 

Further apology...yes you are correct. So back to my example you have 8 lasgun in Rapid fire range so 16 shots total. 2 models roll a 6. This would allow those 2 models to shoot their lasguns again..e.g 8 more shots.

 

Edit: Spelling Again

[domsto]

But if one model has 2 shots and i roll both of them a 6+?

The stratagem says for each 6+ the model can fire again

So this model could fire three times

Thats the point that confuses me a little

[spafe]

Does... does that work for all weapons? So plasma guns getting 4 shots off in rapid fire range if they get a 6 to hit?! That's mad!

[our_baz]

But if one model has 2 shots and i roll both of them a 6+?

The stratagem says for each 6+ the model can fire again

So this model could fire three times

Thats the point that confuses me a little

The stratagem reads as "...Each time you make a hit roll of 6+ for model in that unit, that model can immediately shoot again with the same weapon at the same target..."

So in your, example 2 lasgun shots, roll 2 6+ = 4 more lasgun shots. Applying the rules as written. 

[our_baz]

Does... does that work for all weapons? So plasma guns getting 4 shots off in rapid fire range if they get a 6 to hit?! That's mad!

It doesn't specify a particular weapon and there is nothing the FAQ (that I can see). So yes. Plasma in rapid range roll 2 x 6+ = 4 more shots.

[domsto]

 

 

But if one model has 2 shots and i roll both of them a 6+?

The stratagem says for each 6+ the model can fire again

So this model could fire three times

Thats the point that confuses me a little

The stratagem reads as "...Each time you make a hit roll of 6+ for model in that unit, that model can immediately shoot again with the same weapon at the same target..."

So in your, example 2 lasgun shots, roll 2 6+ = 4 more lasgun shots. Applying the rules as written.

So one single man has the potential to shoot his gun 3 times&^(6 shots in rapit fire range)

Thats a lot of dakka;)

[Plasmablasts]

Presumably with FRFSRF that Guardsman could roll 4 sixes, for an extra 16 shots....

[our_baz]

Presumably with FRFSRF that Guardsman could roll 4 sixes, for an extra 16 shots....

Correct, see my example in the second post

[Plasmablasts]

 

Presumably with FRFSRF that Guardsman could roll 4 sixes, for an extra 16 shots....

Correct, see my example in the second post

Admittedly, only a 1 in 1296 chance of Pte Jenkins pulling off that feat.

[duz_]

I used this strategem with some plasma vets on the weekend it was great fun for me :D less for my opponent ... :)

 

 

The way I interpret the rule is any weapon that rolls a 6 the first gets to fire again as if it was a regular shot.

 

So yes there is the potential with FRFSRF to roll 4x 6s for an individual model which would generate 4x 4 additional shots. :D

 

Muhahaha!

 

 

But again less bring attention to Mordian rules! Its fun being the sleeper Regiment ;)

[our_baz]

I used this strategem with some plasma vets on the weekend it was great fun for me less for my opponent ...

 

 

The way I interpret the rule is any weapon that rolls a 6 the first gets to fire again as if it was a regular shot.

 

So yes there is the potential with FRFSRF to roll 4x 6s for an individual model which would generate 4x 4 additional shots.

 

Muhahaha!

 

 

But again less bring attention to Mordian rules! Its fun being the sleeper Regiment

First rule of the Mordian doctrines, is that we dont talk about Mordian doctrines.

[librisrouge]

Muhahaha!

 

 

But again less bring attention to Mordian rules! Its fun being the sleeper Regiment

I've been waiting to get more and more of my IG painted because I'm fairly sure pure infantry Mordian is a monster and I want to put 120+ men on the table to try it.

[Frater Cornelius]

I believe it is either an oversight or intended. If you look at the MT doctrine, it has a similar effect, but it specifies that additional shots can not cause more additional shots to happen.

[Mordian Glory]

As others have pointed out the Mordian Stratagem is fantastic! Its balanced as you can only do it on 1 unit per turn.

 

However, its gets even crazier if you use FRFSRF.

 

Its even more amazing if you are facing chaos and you use the Vengeance for Cadia Stratagem + FRFSRF.

 

1 Infantry (not even veterans) was able to delete a 6 man rubric squad in 1 go without even breaking a sweat, not bad for a 55 pts unit I got something like 30-40 Lasgun wounds on the unit before even the Heavy Bolter and Plasma gun fired! And before people jump in an say it was just a one off occurance, I did this 3 times over the course of the game it it was the same result each time :D

 

 

Muhahaha!


But again less bring attention to Mordian rules! Its fun being the sleeper Regiment

I've been waiting to get more and more of my IG painted because I'm fairly sure pure infantry Mordian is a monster and I want to put 120+ men on the table to try it.

 

 

If you are going pure infantry Mordians you are gonna need more then 120 guys. You can easily get double that with plenty of toys to go with it You want to be looking at a brigade and a Battalion for 20 command points. 

[Wassa]

Must have had a lot of shots to beat Rubric Marines 2+ save!

[Mordian Glory]

Must have had a lot of shots to beat Rubric Marines 2+ save!

 

Yep I was a little lucky, but with every guy getting rerolls i was reliably getting an extra 4-8 shots with each rifle man. I also remember on 1 of the shooting phases I got 2x 6s with the heavy bolter so i got 9 shots in total, all rerolling hits and wounds :D Also the plasma gun was on fire (pun intended) and got double 6 in 1 round (so 6 shots overall).

 

To be fair it balanced out overall (my foot veterans did poorly all game and I barely made any saves across the army), but its important to note that with a little luck this is an amazing stratagem. 

[Wassa]

How do you roll for this? Each guy individually?

[Mordian Glory]

How do you roll for this? Each guy individually?

 

Yes

[librisrouge]

 

 

How do you roll for this? Each guy individually?

Yes

May I ask, why? Shouldn’t it be fine to just roll by weapon AND number of shots? Roll all of the rapid fire guys together, knowing each 6+ means two more shots, before rolling the guys farther away and knowing 6+ means only 1 more shot.

[Doof]

 

 

How do you roll for this? Each guy individually?

Yes

May I ask, why? Shouldn’t it be fine to just roll by weapon AND number of shots? Roll all of the rapid fire guys together, knowing each 6+ means two more shots, before rolling the guys farther away and knowing 6+ means only 1 more shot.

 

I believe that since each guardsman has the potential to shoot again, and each guy is shooting 4 times, (with FRFSRF) then you have to do it separately. If one guy rolls four 6's from his 4 shots, i believe he only gets to shoot one additional time (4 more shots in FRFSRF).

[duz_]

The way I read the stratagem given it says each time a model rolls a 6+ it can fire again which means you could potential fire an additional 16 shots

 

So then you could just roll all the dice together.

 

Good one for the FAQ email I guess ;)

[our_baz]

The way I read the stratagem given it says each time a model rolls a 6+ it can fire again which means you could potential fire an additional 16 shots

 

So then you could just roll all the dice together.

 

This has always been my interpretation, my opponents have never questioned me rolling in one go.