Rogue Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 My reading of the Ultramarine chapter tactics is that any unit with the -chapter- keyword can make use of them. Which means that tanks are included in the ‘fall back and still shoot’ thing. But in various battle reports and discussions, people seem to think not, without explaining why. Have I missed something, or is this a hang-over from the 7th edition chapter tactics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Chapter Tactics affect only Infantry, Bikers and Dreadnoughts. It's literally on the same page spread, dude. It's :cuss ridiculous. Particularly when every non-Space Marine Codex applies its buffs to vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 It is: If your army is Battle-forged, all INFANTRY, BIKER and DREADNOUGHT units in a Space Marines Detachment gain a Chapter Tactic, so long as every unit in that Detachment is drawn from the same Chapter I am not aware of any tank that is an INFANTRY, BIKER or DREADNOUGHT unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Oh. Bother. I must have read that bit at some point, but then was just looking at the specific tactics bit, where it says any units with the keyword, without reiterating the exception. Thanks both for your answers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 At this point in the edition, it's an easy mistake to make. Every other faction's ability effects their vehicles. That chapter tactics don't is just another item in the long litany of Things About The Space Marine Codex That Are *Almost* There But Juuuuuuuuuuuust Barely Not Good Enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 It hurts the Landraider most. Funny, if it had similar rules to the Spartan tank from FW in regards to leaving combat, etc, it would be a great tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Having looked at the codex again, I think I may have conflated the Rites of Battle (which does affect tanks, right?) with the chapter tactics that don’t... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I really wish Chapter Tactics worked for everything - I think it would do a lot to make marines more viable, adding some bonuses for units that are completely skipped in current list building. Don't want to get too deep into wishlisting with this, but I think it's the easiest thing to boost marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5061574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Our Chapter Tactic would be amazing if the game wasn't such a shootfest. I reckon it'll change soon though as the game is looking like it's more balanced already. The whole army should be affected though. Why every army doesn't have the same restrictions as us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5062243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSilver Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 This is where Repulsors have the slight edge over other vehicles, as they have the fly keyword, I just wish they weren't such a points sink. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It looks awful too. I can't bring myself to ever buy one. It seems Space Marines now build vehicles like Orks and just bolt on weapons and expect it to look good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Idaho, I must disagree. I own and run two Repulsors regularly. They are actually my favourite SM vehicle from a visual perspective. They are a funny model in the way that any images are rather unflattering, but on the tabletop they are visually striking and the hover Base is truly excellent. I'll share some pics of my army soon. The only tank that gives them a run is the Sicaran. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It took a while to grow on me, but I like my Repulsors too. I sold my first one with the bulk of my UM's. I just bought 2 new ones as I was tired of Proxying the vehicle with Landraiders. Personally it's almost mandatory in my Primaris lists. They're just a bit too expensive I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 They're useful on the table but I hate their look. And that's saying something as I liked the Storm Raven, Storm Talon and Centurions when they came out... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 "Every other faction's ability effects their vehicles." I hear this quite often - what are come races that fall under this category... for example venoms do not get power from pain saving throws. I know Altioc -1 to hit applies, what else is there that is significant ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Imperial guard regiments, Necron dynasty codes, the aforementioned Aelves, Forge World traits, Tyranid hive fleet adaptations, several Tau septs, and so on. Really the list of those that don't is far shorter than those that do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Everyone that is not Marines basically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5063925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Power from Pain is Deldar's overarching rule. It's the equivalent of ATSKNF for Marines (y'know, that bonus that is almost never used. Haven't used it yet so far in all my 8th games). Obsessions are Deldar's chapter tactic equivalent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5064124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346439-tanks-falling-back-and-ultramarine-tactics/#findComment-5064245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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