Prot Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Hey guys, I’m signed up for an ITC event, but it’s only 1750. Before I discount my Deathguard as an army I made a few lists with Mort and our nerfed Poxwalkers. Balance is hard with Mort at this point level. Anyway Typhus has always been a staple in my lists..always. But now 8m looking at him at this point level with about 15 Poxwalkers and I’m wondering if he’s worth it. What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominikB Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Depends what you want the poxwalkers for, Ive started using them as moral immune objective holders which I serving me well for 6pts each. I argued that cultist don’t do much damage anyway so the moral immunity is worth the extra 2pts. In this context I don’t see the point of typhus, and is rather save points to run a cheap lord who also gives out rerolls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 He's still a potent Psyker and combatant in CC. While his main purpose for most has been buffing Poxwalkers, he'll still cast buffs on other units and if he gets into combat he'll definitely hold his own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Yeah he might not be worth that much as Poxwalker buffer but luckily he does other stuff as well. So the question is ... how much points would you save by taking something with similar psychic and combat abilities and are those saved points worth it to buff 15 Poxwalker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 He's the all in one package, really. Do you need: Choppy Mind Bullets Buff Aura Toughness Some unique rules (Destroyer Hive etc) Then he's all of that in one. IMO his main competition is something like a DP, which exchanges Pox Buffs for Speed. For his cost he absolutely makes the Lord of Contagion look stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 For his cost he absolutely makes the Lord of Contagion look stupid. Not very difficult considering the lame aura, complete lack of ranged stuff, and being a DG in Cataphractii armour lol Unless your opponent engages you in melee the Lord of Contagion is often as useful as a brick. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McElMcNinja Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I'm a fan of the Malignant Plaguecaster, with Pestilential Fallout he has the potential to dish out 2 extra MW per turn. With his staff he has 3 S6/-1 AP/D3 attacks (and it's a plague weapon). He also gets 2 spells vs a DP with 1, all for 110 points. You can also get another Chaos Lord with him for almost the same cost as a DP. I'm not trying to say take Plaguecaster over a DP, but he is a solid choice for the price especially if you are looking to save points by dropping Typhus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 I agree with a lot of what's being said. I mean the guy has been in nearly every list I've played in 8th. And yes, he's a toolbox kind of dude. For sure.... BUT I don't know about you guys but when I'm using him as a Poxwalker Buffer, he's very,very rarely in CC. He moves so slow, and I typically stretch out Poxwalkers to leverage his buffs (and psychic buffs) and eventually the Poxwalkers take off on him, consolidating into as much as they can. Usually this is about turn 3-4 and Typhus plays catch up for those turns, and -maybe- out of 3 games does he reach something that makes any aspect of his personal abilities worth while. All of what I just said about Poxwalkers was pre Pox-nerf. So now that changes things. I personally can't compare Typhus to the Malignant Plaguecaster because the Plaguecaster makes every list. He's my cheap HQ in all my Battalions. So my choice is a DP which brings more than some people think.... it's not just speed, it's also the larger base + reroll 1 aura, plus Archcontaminator Aura combined with that. So typically mine advances with PBC's or something similar, and even Blightlaunchers on PM's are getting re-roll 1's and re-roll all to wounds. That's pretty significant. Do you guys change your answer if I tell you I would be trying to fit Mortarion into a 1750 point list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Drake Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I love Typhus and always try to find a place for him... but I find his lack of speed a real issue, some might say just DS him but that has issues now and if your army pushes up to mid-table he sometimes can't DS in close enough, especially if you're in close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5065869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McElMcNinja Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I wanted to run my 2000 point Morty list and my opponent only had 1750. I just dropped my Blightlords and it seemed to work just fine. But we weren't playing objectives, so I didn't need them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyDuke Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I swapped typhus out for necrosis, to net you a 55 saving, last time I ran my Death Guard. He’s a potent psycher with buff for pox, but also has an extra spell and deny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Interesting. I have no idea about Necrosis. I admit I’m fairly ignorant about some of the more exotic Daemons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Interesting. I have no idea about Necrosis. I admit I’m fairly ignorant about some of the more exotic Daemons. Necrosius is a FW Heretic Astartes character if you were thinking he was a Daemon. I haven't used my DG yet, but on paper he is definitely better than a Plaguecaster and only about 10 pts more expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyDuke Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 He’s exactly 10 points more, has more spell power and pox walkers re-roll 1’s on dr. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Wow He’s a plague surgeon for poxwalkers? How big is that aura? For 10 pts and an extra power that is really a bargain. Is there no advantage to a Plaguecaster aside from the point decrease? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 The plague caster has a opportunity to put additional wounds on the nearest enemy unit (exhalation of the pit - or something like that) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Necrosius is great value. You get to cast two spells and deny three as well as having a Plague power axe. You do lose out on fallout though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 A Plague force axe thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 He also has a sigil or corruption so actually gets an inv save as well compared to a plaguecaster plus he gets a cool ap-1 D2 bolt pistol It's a tainted force blade so you could have it as a sword, axe or even a scythe if you wanted I normally prefer a plaguecaster mainly since he can still access the relics plus I really love his aura as it has really helped me a lot especially with the helm to boast his range though I am planning on converting up my own Necrosius with the plague marine box Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346607-the-make-or-break-point-for-typhus/#findComment-5066748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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