LordCommanderSamirus Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Tyranids: Synaptic Severance - This sounds brutal, but in reality most Tyranid armies utilize Hive Tyrants for Synapse (Flyrants being the flavour of the month, at least until the FAQ goes gold) so it's not really that necessary. 2 CP is also a bit pricey given the comparatively limited target space, though it would be easy to maximize this with Hellblasters.Why wouldn't it be necessary? A unit in the backfield can target a Hive Tyrant, ignoring the character rule. You can easily snipe out that Tyrant now. Good point! I think I'm a bit of an odd case in that locally it's 90% Flyrants and Swarmlord, who like to run far enough forward that picking them off is easy. OFC, my thoughts are entirely conjecture at this point, so take 'em for opinion at best until we get the real deal Don't forget about all the Genestealer Cult HQs, they'll be targetable too. None of them have SYNAPSE CREATURE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Unfortunately it will have the age old problem of elite units being not very survivable and very resource starved. Yeah so far it seems DW will have the same problem as before. They can be VERY devastating and potentially the Marine army with the best damage output, however they pay for it and aren't much more durable than regular Marines so each model lost hurts even more than other Marine armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Decapitation Doctrine is in reference to the old special rule gained when you took a Watch Company. It let you re-roll to wound vs the Warlord, ICs or Psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCommanderSamirus Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Decapitation Doctrine is in reference to the old special rule gained when you took a Watch Company. It let you re-roll to wound vs the Warlord, ICs or Psykers. I'm aware of what it did previously, but with Purgatus Doctrine that already for the most part covers all warlord choices. That and I hadn't seen it being discussed yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 The one thing I found very ironic about Deathwatch in 7th might still hold true... they were excellent at killing marines last edition and not the best with Xenos. I personally really hoped for significant anti Xenos psychic powers. I always felt if there was one other army aside from Grey Knights that deserved it, it was Deathwatch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashc Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It's just access to librarius as far as the description of the datacards in white dwarf gives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It's just access to librarius as far as the description of the datacards in white dwarf gives. Yea, I guess I should have been more specific: I think it's a missed opportunity. 'member Starship Troopers? The scene where the psychic guy walks up to the giant 'smart bug' and declares... "It's afraid!" and everyone cheers. (Of course he could have been lying... I mean at that point even I could have deduced that and come off as a genius and I can't bend a rubber spoon with my mind powers.) I just imagine the DW Psychic skill set should be well in tune with how the filthy Xenos operate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeltaRange Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 You can get bits for all this stuff on eBay bits sellers pretty cheap. I have a 5 man Termie unit with 3x assault cannon with a BA, DA, and SW guy. Probably cost me about $15 on top of the Terminator box. Bits? Look again, that is complete Deathwing termie, with robes/heavy weapon, that alone would be more than 15$ on all bit sites I know, never mind adding complete SW TDA model with their big backpack assault cannon or that Blood Angel with huge, prominent pad that is 3-5$ all on its own. Unless you have some magical bit site on hand that ain't gonna happen... Well if we're gonna get technical, then even buying the entire models from eBay isn't going to cost you "several hundred $ on a 4 mini unit". Regardless, you can pretty cheaply add some flavor to your models by grabbing bits from eBay. Hopefully that helps someone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It's just access to librarius as far as the description of the datacards in white dwarf gives. Yea, I guess I should have been more specific: I think it's a missed opportunity. 'member Starship Troopers? The scene where the psychic guy walks up to the giant 'smart bug' and declares... "It's afraid!" and everyone cheers. (Of course he could have been lying... I mean at that point even I could have deduced that and come off as a genius and I can't bend a rubber spoon with my mind powers.) I just imagine the DW Psychic skill set should be well in tune with how the filthy Xenos operate. But, but he was a brilliant child doctor, of course they believe him................. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea-People Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just a heads up the Warhammer Tv stream on twitch is up if anybody wants to check in. I think that's gonna be our "preview" for the day. EDIT: FRAG CANNONS 25 POINTS! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargate_wars Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Nice SIA is part of the weapons cost instead of models - 1 point extra based on the bolt rifle costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris521 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Only seen a bit of it, but the frag cannon is 25 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It's just access to librarius as far as the description of the datacards in white dwarf gives. Yea, I guess I should have been more specific: I think it's a missed opportunity. 'member Starship Troopers? The scene where the psychic guy walks up to the giant 'smart bug' and declares... "It's afraid!" and everyone cheers. (Of course he could have been lying... I mean at that point even I could have deduced that and come off as a genius and I can't bend a rubber spoon with my mind powers.) I just imagine the DW Psychic skill set should be well in tune with how the filthy Xenos operate. But, but he was a brilliant child doctor, of course they believe him................. Naw, they believe him because everyone trusts Neil Patrick Harris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 They believe the Corvus is underestimated and...cheap and good for its cost? Huh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 They believe the Corvus is underestimated and...cheap and good for its cost? Huh? I wish they'd actually tell us the cost in the Codex lol... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Sounds like decapitation doctrine is reroll ALL failed wound rolls against the Warlord. Interesting stratagem... Got some more bits from the stream... Bane of Monstrosities trait- reroll failed wound rolls for your Warlord when attacking enemy vehicles or monsters. Castalan of the Black Vault trait - Add 1 to the damage characteristic of one weapon carried by the warlord. Damage 3 bolter, and D3+1 in melee on a Guardian Spear. Thief of Secrets Relic - Power weapon, damage 2, AP-3, pick a keyword Xenos race and reroll failed wound rolls when attacking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Some new stuff Traits Castellan of the Black Vault: +1D on weapon Relics Thief of Secrets: 2D, AP-3, pick a Keyword and reroll failed wound rolls Osseous Key: Vehicles -1 hit within 9" Tactical Objective: Score (D?)3 VP if you hold objective for 3 consecutive turns. HTH still possbily 30 pts (off comment, so not 100% confirmed) No Primaris Ancients Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Interesting how these are largely re-works of the old ones. That + damage weapon was mentioned as working with both profiles too... on a Watchmaster's Spear. Interesting but again, on a resource starved army we're probably looking at resource based Relics/traits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 +1D to a weapon? Mini slamguinius? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I'm really jazzed that Veterans dropped to 16 pts. The wargear is likely going to kick it up, but if a standard Veteran with a boltgun is 16 pts, thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I'm really jazzed that Veterans dropped to 16 pts. The wargear is likely going to kick it up, but if a standard Veteran with a boltgun is 16 pts, thank you! I'm VERY curious what that makes an Intercessor (points wise) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Intercessors are 18 pts, and all their guns took a 1 pt premium hike for the SIA. So if boltguns are free, its 3 pt difference between Intercessor & bolt rifle vs Veteran & boltgun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Hmm... doesn't that make a bolter with SIA cost 1 point now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Intercessors are 18 pts, and all their guns took a 1 pt premium hike for the SIA. So if boltguns are free, its 3 pt difference between Intercessor & bolt rifle vs Veteran & boltgun. That seems low, no? I mean normal marines have some sweet options still (frag cannons & stormshields) but 3 points extra for these intercessors seems like a real good deal in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Intercessors are 18 pts, and all their guns took a 1 pt premium hike for the SIA. So if boltguns are free, its 3 pt difference between Intercessor & bolt rifle vs Veteran & boltgun. That seems low, no? I mean normal marines have some sweet options still (frag cannons & stormshields) but 3 points extra for these intercessors seems like a real good deal in my opinion. it seems taking basic marines a lot worse than a primaris army at first glance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/11/#findComment-5072647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.