Rockythedog Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Hail Brothers and Sisters I am looking to start building a new SM army, aiming to build it along a narrative story arc or campaign. The basis of that will be set once I have decided what chapter. I want to do a Codex Compliant chapter (my other army are Wolves), and I would like a versatile chapter with decent fluff to at least use as a starting point for source material. I’ll be looking to eventually build an entire company. So far I am torn between Crimson Fists and Ultramarines (or a successor of) Please people, help me choose, for the love of the Emperor and in the name of Holy Terra Rocky Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 The Crimson Fists are an iconic Chapter with presence in both imagery and lore stretching back to the beginning of the very first edition of Warhammer 40'000. They currently have decent rules and due to various catastrophes have been almost destroyed more than once in recent years, which gives you the opportunity to have a mix of grizzled Veterans, ambitious Scouts, and the newest additions to our arsenal, the Primaris. You can also try your hand at weathering to make them look like the hard-as-nails bastards they are. The Ultramarines have been GW's "poster boy" Chapter for a while and have a ton of lore to their name. They have a long list of characters that you can add to your army (including Guilliman himself!) and are, arguably, the most flexible of Chapters meaning that whatever you want to add to your army can be justified. They also have many, many, many successors. So many in fact that it'll be difficult to list them all here but they cover a range of styles, themes, and colour schemes. This means that you can most definitely find a Chapter to suit your needs if you decide the Crimson Fists and Ultramarines aren't to your fancy. Out of the two "main" choices, I'd be tempted to recommend going with the Crimson Fists (but as a son of Dorn at heart, I'm more than a little biased) though Ultramarines are a sound choice, too... Argh! I'm not helping, am I? :sweat: :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Lore wise I believe you would find more Primaris in the Crimson Fist at the moment. Do you prefer your Power Fist or Sword? Do you prefer your blue dark or light? Tie breaker ... Marneus or Pedro? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thanks Chaplain that really did help. Until it didn’t Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahistorian Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Crimson Fists. Too cool to pass up, and not averse to the occasional helmet crest and pteruge if you like that kind of thing :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thanks Chaplain that really did help. Until it didn’t Honestly, darker blue, power sword and I don’t have a clue about the tie breaker. I like their versatility of the Ultra’s, and obviously because there is so much lore they would be a whole lot easier to build up narratively. But with the Crimson Fists I love that they were nearly decimated, held strong and are. Ow being reinforced and built back up by the Primaris. I want to do a good mix of old and new, and these two chapters seem to embody that best (by necessity or not). I love the Roman angle of the Ultramarines but dislike the blue (I’m shallow). But I like how relentless and sort of brutal without savagery the Fists seem to be. Sounds to me like you need the Marines Errant. Ultramarines via lineage, they were also hurt badly by Chaos raids to include having their entire store of gene seed stolen by Huron Blackheart. This means their only real hope of reinforcement is Primaris Marines. They're also blue, but halved with either white or silver (depending on source, though by traditional heraldic rules, the two are technically interchangeable). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thankyou Iron Father I’ll check them out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Fantastic suggestion, IFF. I love the Marines Errant and they would indeed fit your needs, Rocky. :tu: If you need painting advice/recipes, hit me up and I'll be glad to help! Hopefully we'll have you up and running in time to join the Adeptus Astartes in the ETL... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I always say it's best to stick to an established chapter with access to unique characters, easy access to transfers, etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Medium shade blue with one red gauntlet? Split the difference? :-D That said, whatever you pick, keep in mind that colour is, to an extent, negotiable. I've seen awesome looking Ultramarines anywhere from deep navy up to a baby blue. I'm currently painting a ton of Ultras, so I'm obviously a little biased, but they do seem to have the most flexibility as far as special characters they can field, which is kind of cool. Plus if you're not into transfers, the ultima is one of the easier chapter icons to freehand, which I find great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Haven’t yet attempted transfers. Keep deciding on one and then changing my mind ten minutes later haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Paint them a blue you like, but without markings. If you go Ultras, add Ultramarines markings. If you decide Fists, repaint gauntlets red and add fist markings. That way you don't need to decide until everything is almost completely finished :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I just throw in the Celestial Lions. They have solid fluff to start something from and with Guilliman and the Primaris the perfect reason to re-appear again. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Annüss Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 They're not blue but I think Scythes of the Emperor may work. They were almost obliterated battling the Tyranids, so lots of Primaris reinforcements and are an Ultramarines successor, if you fancy Guilliman. Plus their color scheme is very cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5069995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Can successor chapters take Guilliman? I haven’t got all the way through the codex yet. How do the chapter tactics work with successor? Do they keep the patent chapter keyword too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamiel Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Can successor chapters take Guilliman? I haven’t got all the way through the codex yet. How do the chapter tactics work with successor? Do they keep the patent chapter keyword too? If you're a successor chapter and take Guilliman, you will have to say your army ruleswise counts-as Ultramarines. In my opinion, Guilliman looks best at the helm of an Ultramarine army. But yeah you should be fine saying your chapter counts-as Ultras to get the benefits for him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Annüss Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Can successor chapters take Guilliman? I haven’t got all the way through the codex yet. How do the chapter tactics work with successor? Do they keep the patent chapter keyword too? If you're a successor chapter and take Guilliman, you will have to say your army ruleswise counts-as Ultramarines. In my opinion, Guilliman looks best at the helm of an Ultramarine army. But yeah you should be fine saying your chapter counts-as Ultras to get the benefits for him. This is true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 A uniform army looks much better on the tabletop. If you intent to run Guilliman with another chapter would you paint him to match? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 If I were to field him with another chapter then yes I would paint him to match. But I’m not going to do that. If I go Ultramarines then I’ll take Guilliman. If not I won’t. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Where's your heart at? Underdogs or posterboys? And which units do you favor? Heavy weapons or full-strength Troops? Edit: I'd like to advocate homebrew chapters as well. Even if you take a fluffy army and read the books and stuff, what if something happens you don't like? I play a Detachment of UMs myself. 2nd Company because gold trim looks good. But my 2nd Company Captain isn't Acheron or whoever has the post in the fluff these days. My guy is Cpt Goldie McAwesome Stottlemeyer. So I may not be the stick-to-the-fluff type of player, but I have loads of fun. Just paint your guys a blue you dig, buy shoulder pads you like and go crazy with your own fluff! Call 'em the Rock Dogs or something like that ;) If that's not your style and you want to go full on official fluff, please refer to the initial questions in my post :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 It depends on whether I want to use him to represent another custom fluff special character or as Guilliman himself. As Guilliman himself I would paint him in Ultramarine colours still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Honestly I’m an underdog kind of guy, and my heart is pushing me towards the crimson Fists. I am going to adapt them slightly in colour scheme, I’ll give them company markings (unlike the codex) and I’ll probably use a few of the ultramarine names character models (like sgt telion) but rename them and make them Fists. Obviously won’t have their own rules but I’m happy with that Just picked up the Legacy of Dorn book, and doing that has answered my own questions. So I’ll be building 3rd Company Crimson Fists. I am looking forward to it, building, painting and eventually playing them My aim is to use battle reports as a basis for the narrative, and after each battle the company will swell as more units are added. The ending battle journal will be the story of 3rd company. After that, I’ll probably do a UM company to balance it all out lol Thank you everyone for your valued advice and input Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Honestly I’m an underdog kind of guy, and my heart is pushing me towards the crimson Fists. I am going to adapt them slightly in colour scheme, I’ll give them company markings (unlike the codex) and I’ll probably use a few of the ultramarine names character models (like sgt telion) but rename them and make them Fists. Obviously won’t have their own rules but I’m happy with that Just picked up the Legacy of Dorn book, and doing that has answered my own questions. So I’ll be building 3rd Company Crimson Fists. I am looking forward to it, building, painting and eventually playing them My aim is to use battle reports as a basis for the narrative, and after each battle the company will swell as more units are added. The ending battle journal will be the story of 3rd company. After that, I’ll probably do a UM company to balance it all out lol Thank you everyone for your valued advice and input Using Telion might be difficult - he's meant to use UM Tactics and some guys might (understandably) not want to play against him if he ignores cover like he'd do with IF Chapter Tactics. So using the models is fair game, but Telion will probably just be a run-of-the-mill Scout Sergeant in most games :( Still, go for it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Yeah, you can't mix the unique characters. Best to really pick a chapter, stick to it, build it up. I 100% advise against painting up a force if you're not sure about it. The hobby is expensive and time consuming, you don't want to waster your efforts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockythedog Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Oh sorry I probably didn’t explain that very well. I’ll use Telion just as a big standard scout sergeant. Just mean that some of the UM named character models are really good looking models, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346797-new-space-marine-army/#findComment-5070527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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