Inquisitor Red Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Been listening to some codex reviews online and some people are saying that you can't use the Teleportarium Stratagem on a Forgeworld Leviathan Dreadnought. Not sure why it's qualified as having the <deathwatch> and <dreadnought> keywords. Anything I'm missing here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Because you can not just change <chapter> to <deathwatch> and at the time the 6/7 forge world units you could take were not available at that time. Hmm i am not sure actually if any forge world is legal in deathwatch for tournament use as i can not find a specific deathwatch can take x list like grey knights have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5081964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Because you can not just change <chapter> to <deathwatch> and at the time the 6/7 forge world units you could take were not available at that time.I'm not sure what you are talking about. Q: Are there any restrictions on which Chapter I can choose when replacing the <Chapter> Faction keyword on datasheets within this book? A: Yes. You cannot choose for any of these units to be from the Legion of the Damned or Grey Knights Chapters. They can be from any other Chapter though, including Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves and Deathwatch. BTW the document can be found here. The Leviathan Dreadnought is in that book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5081971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 AFAIK the Leviathan Dread is 100% legal for DW forces, and can benefit from all stuff DW keywords require. Quixus' reference is accurate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Because you can not just change <chapter> to <deathwatch> and at the time the 6/7 forge world units you could take were not available at that time. Hmm i am not sure actually if any forge world is legal in deathwatch for tournament use as i can not find a specific deathwatch can take x list like grey knights have. This is incorrect, you can definitely use a Leviathan in a Deathwatch army with it's stratagems Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisada Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Thanks Quixus for clearing that up for us ... because I'm currently building my leviathan right now for this specific purpose lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Thanks I hoped i was wrong but i could not find the proof for what you posted all I could find was that facebook post where they made sudegestions. How would you arm a Leviathan for use by the Deathwatch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Thanks I hoped i was wrong but i could not find the proof for what you posted all I could find was that facebook post where they made sudegestions. How would you arm a Leviathan for use by the Deathwatch? I think a lot of folks love the dual stormcannon loadout. I think that's probably really effective and adaptable, as well. I'd go with that myself - but I haven't put in a Leviathan order yet...should get on that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 FAQ post IA index allows the Leviathan as well as all the exotic tanks and flyers to be taken by the Death Watch. I heartily recommend the Sicaran Venator :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 FAQ post IA index allows the Leviathan as well as all the exotic tanks and flyers to be taken by the Death Watch. I heartily recommend the Sicaran Venator :-D Have you had the opportunity to use a Xiphon? I really, really like this model - but I have no clue how it performs. Running it in Deathwatch colours would look flippin' awesome. Might proxy in something for it next friendly match... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 FAQ post IA index allows the Leviathan as well as all the exotic tanks and flyers to be taken by the Death Watch. I heartily recommend the Sicaran Venator :-D Have you had the opportunity to use a Xiphon? I really, really like this model - but I have no clue how it performs. Running it in Deathwatch colours would look flippin' awesome. Might proxy in something for it next friendly match... I have 2x Xiphons for my BA. Used them in only 2 games so far, but you get what you pay for. Best* non-Hover, non-Transport Flyer in the SM arsenal, in my book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Is there any way to satisfy the Relic rule in this case besides taking a unit of Hellblasters? Normally I'd be happy to have this kind of "problem", but with the Fortis Kill Team rules, I can't help but think that I really want my Hellblasters teamed up with Intercessors etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 You could take a contempter mortis dread or normal mortis dread they are both heavy support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 FAQ post IA index allows the Leviathan as well as all the exotic tanks and flyers to be taken by the Death Watch. I heartily recommend the Sicaran Venator :-D Have you had the opportunity to use a Xiphon? I really, really like this model - but I have no clue how it performs. Running it in Deathwatch colours would look flippin' awesome. Might proxy in something for it next friendly match... Yes, it's a great flyer. Really effective against ground and air, and even when it's crippled and down to its last damage bracket it's still really effective at targeting things with fly. Far and away better than the Stormtalon and Stormhawk. Remember it can't hover, however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashc Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Yep, FW is in for us and there are some great options. Personally I wouldn't field a leviathan without a close combat weapon as those things are murderous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 FAQ post IA index allows the Leviathan as well as all the exotic tanks and flyers to be taken by the Death Watch. I heartily recommend the Sicaran Venator :-D Have you had the opportunity to use a Xiphon? I really, really like this model - but I have no clue how it performs. Running it in Deathwatch colours would look flippin' awesome. Might proxy in something for it next friendly match... Yes, it's a great flyer. Really effective against ground and air, and even when it's crippled and down to its last damage bracket it's still really effective at targeting things with fly. Far and away better than the Stormtalon and Stormhawk. Remember it can't hover, however. I'm just imagining it would be a fantastic option for anti-tank that ends up being pretty mobile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Wouldn't you rather have a Corvus though ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 The Xiphon is a good anti-tank flyer, but its cost with an expensive army like DW is an issue. It's good, but it doesn't feel like it's worth the points for what it brings. My opponents have largely ignored it, and it can generally do decent damage on one vehicle a turn, depending on rolls, but by T3 or 4, the rest of my army is dead. Haven't tried it with the new codex yet though. Wouldn't you rather have a Corvus though ? Hahaha, oh you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Wouldn't you rather have a Corvus though ? If they had PotMS, yes - I'd instantly take one. Probably two. They're one of the coolest models, the only truly Deathwatch exclusive vehicle, and would fit all my transport needs for the way I intend to play my force. But they're kind of a mess in design. You pay points for the bombs, but you don't really want to use them without giving up its role as a transport. You want to fly over enemies to use the bombs, but as a transport you don't want to fly over enemies since you'll get surrounded and can't disembark. Likewise you want to be moving to transport models, but you're better off standing still to do damage with all the weapons you bring, and since you're moving you want to bring weapons with lots of shots - meaning not lascannons. It all comes down to points, and right now for its points I can get better killing somewhere else that benefits from my mission tactics or get better transports elsewhere that cost significantly less and don't force me to sacrifice offensive output. Not many of those can do everything the Corvus can all at once, but specializing like this means I can use the points more effectively than dumping them into a Corvus. I will of course give it a shot in the future, but I'm looking at adding anti-tank that is reliable to a force that is woefully illprepared for it. Likewise I'd love to be able to take Land Raiders or Repulsors - the first of which is way too likely to be stuck in a tarpit and contribute zero shooting, and the latter would be transporting a unit that I personally don't think needs the durability of a transport. Plus they're super expensive for what they bring. Maybe...maybe I'd consider Repulsors if normal Vets could sit in them. I'd also strongly consider anchoring my force with Land Raiders if there were a way to ensure they could always shoot, like the baneblade rule, or fallback as if it had fly. Or if the Corvus brought that sweet Valkyrie special rule grav-chute insertion. But now I'm getting too caught up in wishlisting and derailing the thread... Back to Levi Dreads that deep strike and eat your opponent's sandwich. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFinisher4Ever Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Is there any way to satisfy the Relic rule in this case besides taking a unit of Hellblasters? Normally I'd be happy to have this kind of "problem", but with the Fortis Kill Team rules, I can't help but think that I really want my Hellblasters teamed up with Intercessors etc. I've been looking at taking Quad Heavy Bolter Rapiers. They are dirt cheap and they can eat up chaff to clear the landing zone for your deep striking dreads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347287-levi-dread-use-teleportarium-stratagem/#findComment-5082366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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