Oil colors to mix for verdigris color?

[Ovidius Incertus]

Not being overly fond of Nihilakh Oxide (because it's acrylic, not it's color), I'd like to try mixing up some oil paints to create a similar verdigris color.

 

I figure it's some combination of blue, green and white.

 

I've got a viridian green and titanium white.  What oil blue is best?  I think viridian green will serve well, but am open to suggestions.

 

Anyone mixed up a verdigris colored oil before?

[Bung]

Look at Abteilung 502 Oilcolors, they have a similar color.

[Ovidius Incertus]

Excellent! Thanks for the tip.

[PeteySödes]

Hopefully not too “side” topic, but what do you think find different about the oxide vs what you propose? Ive never used oils before.

[Bung]

Hopefully not too “side” topic, but what do you think find different about the oxide vs what you propose? Ive never used oils before.

 

You can do alot with oils you cant do as easily as with acrylics.

You can thin them down to work like a wash and can remove the excess easily with some turpentine stuff, like white spirit etc.

There is a lot of weathering that can be done with oils.

 

I can recommend you this book, its great about using oil colors for modelling

https://www.pk-pro.de/ABT-Mastering-Oils-1-Oil-Painting-Techniques-on-AFVs-English

[Ovidius Incertus]

Oils can be worked with for much longer, can be manipulated in different ways (e.g. thinned, streaked), and therefore it is easier to obtain a wider variety of effects than acrylics.

 

In particular, if you're working with a very small (i.e. infantry sized) mini that you want to put verdigris on, I find that Nihilakh easily overwhelms it because it's less precise and can't be worked afterward.  I've got some Necrons I'm working on (Nihilakh dynasty, actually) and my experience using Nihilakh Oxide on something big like the Imperial statuary suggests that oils are the way to go for something on a smaller scale.

[Arkhanist]

Hopefully not too “side” topic, but what do you think find different about the oxide vs what you propose? Ive never used oils before.

 

Oils basically take much longer to dry. They can also be reactivated with a fresh application of solvent (e.g. white spirit); once acrylic dries, it's staying put, no matter much water you put on! So for doing layer or edge painting, acrylic is great - it dries quickly, and doing a 2nd thin coat (  duncan) and highlights doesn't disturb the earlier layers.

 

For weathering and washes, oils allow you much more working time to get them sitting how you want. Put on too much? dilute it down on the model and brush it away. Want to turn a blob into a streak, aka simulating rust streaks or oil leaks, put a bit on and run a brush damp with solvent down over it. Blend several washes together while wet? They do that automagically. This incidentally also makes them much easier to do two colour blending with.

 

The downsides are that doing multiple colours where you DON'T want them to reactivate the previous one is harder - often involving a coat of varnish between to 'lock in' effects - and you have to wait a much longer time to dry. And you need white spirit etc to dilute and clean your brushes. Water is a lot less smelly, and cheaper - and less toxic, usually!

 

I haven't tried using tubes of oil paint though, only pre-made oil washes such as AK interactive streaking effects - ready to use out the bottle. 

 

I also use flory models clay based washes when I want an overall weathering effect, as opposed to more targeted streaky effects. They're water-based, but can be easily reactivated with fresh water unlike acrylics. Basically, you slap it on where you want, it fills in all the lines and crevices, but once it's dry you can rub it off the higher areas with slightly damp kitchen towel (a gloss finish helps, a matt finish leaves a dingier effect) It's great for weathering lighter colours as you don't end up with the dirty overapplied look you risk with acrylic washes, it only remains in the crevices - though you can clean those too with a wet q-tip if you want. And if you clean off too much, just reapply and try again. I find them a nice balance between the speed and simplicity of acrylics and the flexibility of oils.