New Grant Tournament Format - 1750pts

[Prot]

I'm just disappointed because I honestly take a lot of stuff I consider cool models, or cool lists that I know darn well aren't top teir stuff, and I would say those very items are the most hurt by this decision.

 

I personally am a relatively quick player. Only on the tightest of game turns will I not have immediate actions I commit to in my games. And again I include stuff I know isn't super competitive.

 

Take my Custodes as example. For me even after the Alpha Strike nerf I just love the Allarus models far too much to cut them from my lists even though I know they aren't the smartest thing for me... heck I was taking a Ven Landraider with a -1 to hit banner just because it looks cool.

 

This is the sort of stuff that instantly gets taken out of lists in tournaments in favour of CP farming Astra, or fill in the name of the blob.

 

To me it makes the game less interesting. I'm less likely to explore fun options because in 8th edition those are the units that are usually full of flavour, a little overcosted, and can't be used effectively in these types of events.

 

It makes me wonder what the rest of the events will do. Will they follow suit?

 

I keep flashing back to my weekly games and when I recall which ones run over time limits, 9/10 times it's a horde-ish type army. It's the type of army that is going to change very little in nature or size because it functions on spammable cheap stuff.

 

So I'm just a little disappointed by this. It feels like it's a combination of things that have lead GW to this 'solution'. It really makes me wonder if they will hurt their Knight codex sales to those competitive markets?

[Crabstuffed Mushrooms]

We obviously don't care as Custodes players, we don't have a lot of models and we can get through our turns relatively quickly: As an Astra Militarum player, however. I understand where they're coming from: I would've cut the points more dramatically (say 1500) so that people would see a clear difference in time. Right now, tournaments are biased against players with high model count armies: You have to be much more efficient with managing your time (movement trays are practically a 'must have').

 

Tournaments (as an event) are more about speed and efficiency due to the challenges of getting everything done in a day. You can still have fun - but it's a different pace. The other alternative is awarding more points during the game, this allows more granularity and (in theory), less games would need to be played to rank people.

 

The good news is GW is all about experimenting these days. We might discover that 1750 isn't the best answer and try something else!

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I see it as a knee jerk reaction TBH .

[Helycon]

 

 

That sounds more like having a terrible job. You're doing your life wrong at that point.

 

If you do not want to win there is no need in going to the tournament. You can always have a fun game with your friends. It is like Olympics: people tend to talk about "Olympic spirit" and so on, but in reality it is all about modern technologies, drugs and competition between national teams. Victory is the goal, in victory is the joy. That is what big sport is about.

 

If you consider tabletop wargaming a big sport, you're doing big sports wrong. 

 

People do this as a HOBBY, and sure, some will be more competitive than others. If you're going to make a living out of it, you'd be hard-pressed to do so. This is nothing like the Olympics. Everything you stated that applies to the Olympics, does not apply to tabletop wargaming. 

 

People go to tournaments to maybe take the game to a higher level, but they also want to have fun. Some people enjoy a specific army and will play just that, because it's fun. I'm sure that someone won a tournament playing Orks very recently. That was because it has a brilliant Codex probably! So...yeah, they played Orks because they enjoy playing Orks. Do they take more time than someone playing Custodes? Yup. Is that a choice both your opponent AND you made? Yup. 

 

Tabletop wargaming is about fun first and foremost. If you feel you're good at it and go to more serious tournaments, more power to you. But someone taking longer just because they brought the wrong army is nothing they're doing wrong, as long as they're not intentionally stalling. THAT would be considered unsportsmanlike. But people taking things to seriously are never fun anyway ;)

[AstraWlad]

 

 

 

That sounds more like having a terrible job. You're doing your life wrong at that point.

 

If you do not want to win there is no need in going to the tournament. You can always have a fun game with your friends. It is like Olympics: people tend to talk about "Olympic spirit" and so on, but in reality it is all about modern technologies, drugs and competition between national teams. Victory is the goal, in victory is the joy. That is what big sport is about.

 

If you consider tabletop wargaming a big sport, you're doing big sports wrong. 

 

People do this as a HOBBY, and sure, some will be more competitive than others. If you're going to make a living out of it, you'd be hard-pressed to do so. This is nothing like the Olympics. Everything you stated that applies to the Olympics, does not apply to tabletop wargaming. 

 

People go to tournaments to maybe take the game to a higher level, but they also want to have fun. Some people enjoy a specific army and will play just that, because it's fun. I'm sure that someone won a tournament playing Orks very recently. That was because it has a brilliant Codex probably! So...yeah, they played Orks because they enjoy playing Orks. Do they take more time than someone playing Custodes? Yup. Is that a choice both your opponent AND you made? Yup. 

 

Tabletop wargaming is about fun first and foremost. If you feel you're good at it and go to more serious tournaments, more power to you. But someone taking longer just because they brought the wrong army is nothing they're doing wrong, as long as they're not intentionally stalling. THAT would be considered unsportsmanlike. But people taking things to seriously are never fun anyway

 

When I see a 300+ or even 500+ participators at a tournament I consider it pretty damn big sport

 

As for Orks -- this victory supports my point, 'cause as far as I know, he won because he was able to delay game with all that measurements, movement and dice rolls enough to be sure his opponents would not have enough time to clear his boys' blobs from the point. There was zero fun in this victory, just pure calculated WAAC.

 

As someone at Dakka-Dakka said: "It is not Orks who won the game it is an absence of the chess clock".