Primaris DW fluff question

[Sea Reaper]

Apologies if this is well covered in the Codex, I am still waiting for my store to get one in. I know the original Primaris in the Deathwatch came directly from the Greyshields when Guilliman ordered some split off to reinforce. Did those that made it to the modern age alive eventually get assigned back to a Chapter, or was the DW assignment permanent?

 

Is it safe to say there could have been a lot of friction between the initial Primaris and existing veterans given that it was an emeregency measure and by comparison they were all relatively green? In the current age, are Primaris recruits for the Deathwatch simply drawn from existing Chapters as is standard?

 

I'm starting to write some army background and was confused about these points. Thank you :)

[Doghouse]

From what I can see the Primaris were introduced in the same manner as they were with regular chapters, so squads were a pure unit type. So all Intercessor or Inceptors. etc. The Watch Master of Talasa Prime created the first mixed Fortis Kill Teams which are the mixed versions akin to the regular veterans. It says that the Veterans report back to the Watch Master while they observe the Primaris to make better use of their skills. 

 

"THE ULTIMARIS DECREE

 

When he learned of the Deathwatch, Roboute Guilliman immediately recognised their importance. He also saw how thinly stretched the resources of the Deathwatch were. In some places, the Great Rift had cut watch fortresses off from any support. In others,furious warp storms drove desperate xenos migrations before them, leaving the Deathwatch embattled against waves of displaced enemies that had nothing left to lose.

Foreseeing that Humanity’s shield would soon be sundered without aid, Guilliman issued the Ultimaris Decree. This order bound every newly founded Primaris Space Marine Chapter to the tithe of the Death watch inperpetuity. It also seconded several Chapters’worth of the newly awakened Primaris battle brothers and deployed them–along with all their supporting materiel–directly to the watch fortresses scattered across the Imperium.So desperate was the hour that nearly every Watch Master accepted these untested new recruits without question. Soon enough the Primaris Marines’ might was proven,and put to good use."

[ashc]

That quote from the Ultimaris decree sums up most of your questions. The Deathwatch were stretched thin to breaking point upon the opening of the cicatrix maledictum and practically ever watch master appreciated the reinforcements.

[Sea Reaper]

Ah okay, thank you for that quote. So it seems like they were just attached directly to the Deathwatch in the initial stages.

 

Not specific to Primaris, but do Dreadnoughts of any kind get recruited as a normal marine, or are all the dreads in DW service fallen kill team members?

[Doghouse]

It doesn't rally go into too much detail of their origins, just the usual stuff about how they are fallen warriors and heroes. There is nothing that specifically details how they get them that I could see but one passage reads:

 

"Upon the killing fields of Namatoria, a trio of black-armoured Redemptors from the IronHands, the Minotaurs and the Howling Griffons held back a tide of Tyranid war-beasts for six days and nights..."

 

To me that could be read into as actually coming from the chapters or the marines coming from the chapters and interned within DW dreadnoughts.  

[Lemondish]

It doesn't rally go into too much detail of their origins, just the usual stuff about how they are fallen warriors and heroes. There is nothing that specifically details how they get them that I could see but one passage reads:

 

"Upon the killing fields of Namatoria, a trio of black-armoured Redemptors from the IronHands, the Minotaurs and the Howling Griffons held back a tide of Tyranid war-beasts for six days and nights..."

 

To me that could be read into as actually coming from the chapters or the marines coming from the chapters and interned within DW dreadnoughts.

That answers a question I recently had - is it right to modify dreadnoughts so they are clearly from other chapters.

 

Sadly I wish we could field the special dreads.

[Kisada]

 

It doesn't rally go into too much detail of their origins, just the usual stuff about how they are fallen warriors and heroes. There is nothing that specifically details how they get them that I could see but one passage reads:

 

"Upon the killing fields of Namatoria, a trio of black-armoured Redemptors from the IronHands, the Minotaurs and the Howling Griffons held back a tide of Tyranid war-beasts for six days and nights..."

 

To me that could be read into as actually coming from the chapters or the marines coming from the chapters and interned within DW dreadnoughts.

That answers a question I recently had - is it right to modify dreadnoughts so they are clearly from other chapters.

 

Sadly I wish we could field the special dreads.

 

 

What special dreads?

[Lemondish]

 

 

 

It doesn't rally go into too much detail of their origins, just the usual stuff about how they are fallen warriors and heroes. There is nothing that specifically details how they get them that I could see but one passage reads:

 

"Upon the killing fields of Namatoria, a trio of black-armoured Redemptors from the IronHands, the Minotaurs and the Howling Griffons held back a tide of Tyranid war-beasts for six days and nights..."

 

To me that could be read into as actually coming from the chapters or the marines coming from the chapters and interned within DW dreadnoughts.

That answers a question I recently had - is it right to modify dreadnoughts so they are clearly from other chapters.

 

Sadly I wish we could field the special dreads.

What special dreads?

Specifically the Blood Angels Librarian one, the Death Company one with the talons, the Furioso one with the frag cannon, the Space Wolf axe and shield one, and the Ironclad.

[Kisada]

Ah ... but I don't mind that the certain chapters have units specific to them ... they don't get SIA or mixed squads 

 

Didn't think about the Ironclad ... I guess it is weird that DW don't get that.  We can use the Siege Dreadnought from FW book though right?

[ashc]

You can use pretty much all the fw stuff.

[Lemondish]

Ah ... but I don't mind that the certain chapters have units specific to them ... they don't get SIA or mixed squads 

 

Didn't think about the Ironclad ... I guess it is weird that DW don't get that.  We can use the Siege Dreadnought from FW book though right?

 

Oh, sure - I'm not upset that they have special units. We have some unique units ourselves as you pointed out. 

 

In my opinion I simply think it would have been fluffy if we could have taken some of them because of the nature of DW. Also find it weird they didn't go all out and try and fit in a new DW specific Librarian discipline. There were a lot of things I really liked about this codex, but a lot of things I think they could have done to make DW really special (and mostly without having to release new models either). 

 

Back on topic, I love the Primaris inclusion, though. Fluff and otherwise.

[Irbis]

Is it safe to say there could have been a lot of friction between the initial Primaris and existing veterans given that it was an emeregency measure and by comparison they were all relatively green? In the current age, are Primaris recruits for the Deathwatch simply drawn from existing Chapters as is standard?

 

A bit. There is funny quote about dumb DW captain frittering away his Primaris assignment on guard duties and 'backup' not letting them see fight out of conservatism, only to overestimate himself needing to have his sorry ass saved by the very backup unit he scorned. On next mission, newly promoted DW Primaris captain officially welcomed these he just saved on penitent assignment as lowest ranking members of his new Watch Company