Latest Regimental Standard

[Arentius]

So I noticed a thing on the new regimental standard about freeblade Hekhtur...his heraldry looks remarkably like Ragnars wolf head symbol, possibility of a Freeblade allied for the wolves? (even if just from Fluff PoV) this is pretty cool!

[Guest Triszin]

His knight is named.....

 

Canis

Rex

[N1SB]

His knight is named.....

 

Canis

Rex

 

I totally hear you, Brother Triszin, and what amazes me is there's something walking around called Canis Rex that's NOT already a Space Wolf.

 

Seriously, this guy sounds like he's an honourary member at least.

[Guest Triszin]

I know, I wanna name my titan canis max

[Guest]

Going be harsh, but it feels as if everyday the SW player (and ork) get more and more desperate for anything.

[Arentius]

Tbh it is mostly desperation, i'm currently finding myself turning towards other gaming systems in the mean time because it's just so difficult to have an even footing with all the codex armies.

 

Heck I'm in a small local tourney soon as the only non codex army competing and the tiny voice of doubt is whispering "why bothherrrr" as i said even if it's just lorewise it'd be pretty boss if he's related to the wolves somehow

[Kasper_Hawser]

Going be harsh, but it feels as if everyday the SW player (and ork) get more and more desperate for anything.

 

You're right and its perfectly understandable. 8th edition came in around June 2017. It's almost June 2018 already, and not a whiff of dog poo anywhere. OK, we did get something in Chapter Approved back in December 2017, but honestly the results have been mixed for me, although I believe some of us have had great success with our two mere strategems and one underwhelming relic. I know it was just a patch but now, we've almost everyone except Orks, Genestealers and Space Wolves missing a full codex (No, I don't count Ynnari, damn space elves have too many books already), the codex Creep is just TOO high now unless I go back to my original mindset and ask for a game using only BRB strategems.

 

Even Orks have one up on us in terms of fluff, as the Deathwatch has hinted a lot at something big coming out of the Octarian (???) sector where Ghazkull is last seen. Meanwhile, not a whiff of dog poo anywhere else since December 2017.

 

The wolftime will come, The wolftime will come, The wolftime will come, The wolftime will come, The wolftime will come, The wolftime will come, The wolftime will come, .... you know what? I'm going to pretend Guilliman is Russ for awhile to see how he plays.

[Bulwyf]

I completely agree with this. There is literally no point in playing SW until we get a codex. GW lied in its promise to release every codex army in 7th by the anniversary date of 8th edition by June 2018. The only whiff of a rumor we have is either the end of August or Dec of this year.

 

So what's the point of going up against every other army out there except Orks and Genestealers that also don't have their codex? You have no tactics, relics, stratagems, army special rules, etc. The tiny part in Chapter Approved? Please.

[Kasper_Hawser]

I completely agree with this. There is literally no point in playing SW until we get a codex. GW lied in its promise to release every codex army in 7th by the anniversary date of 8th edition by June 2018. The only whiff of a rumor we have is either the end of August or Dec of this year.

 

So what's the point of going up against every other army out there except Orks and Genestealers that also don't have their codex? You have no tactics, relics, stratagems, army special rules, etc. The tiny part in Chapter Approved? Please.

 

Now now, no need to be bitter. Well, yeah, I'm bitter too, but this is nothing compared to 4 Daemon princes of the Tetrad smashing up my whole army of 2000 points back in 7th. 

 

Plus there is a very simple solution though it requires the other party cooperation: simply play with BRB strategems ONLY for both sides. This is what I did earlier and it helped me beautifully even when I lost, as it means I lost to tactical decisions, rather than cheese. And it made my games very memorable as well.

 

And if the other guy wants to complain, then screw him. The fact he wants to use the full measure of his cyber dong on you means he is a dong head himself.

[Hfran Morkai]

I remember playing 5th Edition with a 3rd Edition Codex, things weren't so bad.

 

(Admittedly it was a mini dex so vehicle rules and points were pulled from the Marine one)

[clanfield]

things happen brothers i stoped useing my wolves in third for the eternity wait for the 3rd mini dex (them wd rules were  not good)

 

wolves will come  my fear is we don't get the ad mech type of copy and paste  and shoe horned primaris (love the models though)

 

on a side note my warhound is called impetuous rex :)

 

 

for russ and the wolf time

[Gherrick]

I'm choosing to look at things this way: we got our 7e codex very early, while others had to wait more than a year to get theirs. Before that, some armies didn't a codex update at all for several editions. The Grey Knights HAVE a codex, and they are still below us on the power scale. So we might be the last to get a codex this edition...Have we grown so entitled that we feel wronged when we don't get what we want when we want it?

 

In 7e, I played against a friend who had a nigh unbeatable Tau list, sporting two storm surges. I must of played him at least 8 times, trying different lists out to see what might work. I won once, with one other time being a bit of a draw (we ran out of time). Even on the games where I got totally stomped, while I certainly did my share of grumbling, but I did had fun. I took it as a challenge to take what everyone else around me said was impossible, and try to prove them wrong. It forced me to improve tactically, using my underwhelming list to peak efficiency.

 

We are being prepped for the wolftime. Can we win games against codex lists without a codex? I know the answer is yes. We have the most versatile army out there, being able to take damn near anything on anyone. Honestly, the outflank strategem was the one thing I needed (hopefully we get another one for cavalry/beasts in our codex). I've found that the primaris are insane when you outflank them. Aggressors slaughter the chaff, and hellblasters are just death to everything else. Inceptors' mobility helps with center-board control. We have LOTS of options, if we choose to see them.

 

To be fair, I do feel the sting of not running a more assault-heavy list, which would be my preference. I hope we see changes to make that possible. For now, I will use the tools I have and enjoy the flavor that is Space Wolves.

[SW1]

The sign of a good Wolf Lord is to play hard even when the odds are stacked against you.

 

If you have no chance of winning then take as many of the enemy down with you as you can. Earn a Great Saga for yourself!!! :devil:

[DanPesci]

The sign of a good Wolf Lord is to play hard even when the odds are stacked against you.

 

If you have no chance of winning then take as many of the enemy down with you as you can. Earn a Great Saga for yourself!!!

 

This!

 

Winning isn't everything. You can still have a fun game even with an underpowered list. 

 

I don't get people complaining having to wait a year for a codex. Of course it'd be nice if it was out, but I would much prefer to wait and get a good, balanced, fun book, than have had them rush it out.

 

 

 

We are being prepped for the wolftime. Can we win games against codex lists without a codex? I know the answer is yes. We have the most versatile army out there, being able to take damn near anything on anyone. Honestly, the outflank strategem was the one thing I needed (hopefully we get another one for cavalry/beasts in our codex). I've found that the primaris are insane when you outflank them. Aggressors slaughter the chaff, and hellblasters are just death to everything else. Inceptors' mobility helps with center-board control. We have LOTS of options, if we choose to see them.

 

I played against my mates dark angels last weekend (with a space wolf battallion, taking no primaris at all), and he had conceded by the end of turn 4. 

 

Victory is definitely possible (even if a long way from being assured)

[greysquigg]

I just love that having a codex isn't tantamount to winning for space pups. You see people complaining about not having one and I have to wonder if they ever actually get any games in.

 

I also love that winning isn't mutually exclusive with having a good game.

[The Saint Ragnar]

I do not know if it is just my meta or my outrageous luck but I have only lost two games out of quite a lot in 8th. I have also done some local ITC play and placed Second or Third each time.

 

There are a ton of factors to the game and I found that at the end of the day playing the objective always won out. I tied with a Guard gunline before they got nerfed by objectives alone.

 

That is not to say the games have not been hard fought. Most are a struggle unless I am facing someone using a new army to them or has never played ITC before.

 

I look forward to our Codex because while not top tier currently we are I think solidly mid tier for an Index army in a pool of all Codex.

 

Of course this is my experience and mileage varies based on local metas.

[vigitant]

I do not know if it is just my meta or my outrageous luck but I have only lost two games out of quite a lot in 8th. I have also done some local ITC play and placed Second or Third each time.

 

There are a ton of factors to the game and I found that at the end of the day playing the objective always won out. I tied with a Guard gunline before they got nerfed by objectives alone.

 

That is not to say the games have not been hard fought. Most are a struggle unless I am facing someone using a new army to them or has never played ITC before.

 

I look forward to our Codex because while not top tier currently we are I think solidly mid tier for an Index army in a pool of all Codex.

 

Of course this is my experience and mileage varies based on local metas.

 

I've only played a few games with my wolves so far, and I'm playing an all in smashface list, but i can already see the potential.  SW have units that just straight beat anything else in their weight class, and that's always gonna get value.  Theyre just so expensive that they HAVE to get value.

That and being melee all-stars in a dakka-heavy meta, without the speed of banana captains.

 

I'd love to hear what you're running, as well.  Always good to find out more of what can work.

[Guest]

Don't know if you guys play at PL or points, but my local gaming place plays PL and SW get wrecked. We have various factions and pretty diverse. The true winners seem to be IG or if it's just kill count then Custodes sometimes.

[Gherrick]

I kinda refuse to play with PL. I can be +/- 200+ points at the same PL, which seems decidedly silly to me. I only play casually, so it rarely comes up, but I'll just pass if the person insists on PL.

[Aothaine]

Tbh it is mostly desperation, i'm currently finding myself turning towards other gaming systems in the mean time because it's just so difficult to have an even footing with all the codex armies.

 

Heck I'm in a small local tourney soon as the only non codex army competing and the tiny voice of doubt is whispering "why bothherrrr" as i said even if it's just lorewise it'd be pretty boss if he's related to the wolves somehow

 

I feel ya... but just be ready. They are holding back Space Wolves for a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if they release your codex in Oct/Nov with the Great Wolf. Be patient and you'll be rewarded. I have been waiting over a year for Imperial Knights. I know your pain friend.

[Aothaine]

There are a ton of factors to the game and I found that at the end of the day playing the objective always won out.

 

 

 

This is so important and people tend to forget that controlling objectives is how you win the game. My Space Wolves will be coming up from the ground when the codex releases. I'm hoping they get a good deal and Primaris can be used really well with them. Space Wolf Primaris look sexy!

 

 

Look at that sexy beast!

 

Link to img content: https://imgur.com/gallery/UEp8s

[Kasper_Hawser]

@ Aothaine - sexy indeed. However, apart from waiting for codex, I'm also very anxious for more wolfy bitz. The Grey Hunter decorations just seem so small on the Primaris, I can't fit their belt buckles and the knives and wolf fetishes look positively tiny compared to the Primaris. it's a wonder the heads still look OK on Primaris.

 

@ Gherrick - Yes, I'm self aware that I'm acting like entitled spoiled 80s kid, which I am. I'm also aware whatever I'm/WE are going through is not as bad as what the Orks or even CSM went through who had to wait for codexes much longer during the dark days of 2014-2016. That being said, GW did make a vague promise to update all in a year since June 2017, and it's almost June 2018, so this time we had a timeline to expect, compared to the Orks and CSM or anyone else who were the subject to whim and fancies of GW releases without any schedule, vague or otherwise.

 

@ Danpesci - I agree, and I will continue playing regardless. Even if I lose, I will not lose sight of the general plan and play to objectives. If I get purge the alien or kill point games though, then I'm dead.

[Guest]

Kasper the head fit because GW used proper sized guns and heads but squashed down bodies. Look at the artwork and you will see a bolter is smaller than a SM chest. However the model bolter is larger than a SM chest.

 

I still believe Primaris were meant to true scale and true stat the SM. However the test group and or the fear if public outcry about "GW only cares about SM" lead them to make Primaris. Hate how in tabletop SM are only as strong and "hp" as catachans, yet the lore has SM snapping spines, ripping Ork arms off, losing limbs and yet fighting on. Then scale of Eldar and humans are about right and SM are supposed to be towering over human are only slightly taller in games. DG/1ksons models seem spot on to scale.

[Aothaine]

Kasper the head fit because GW used proper sized guns and heads but squashed down bodies. Look at the artwork and you will see a bolter is smaller than a SM chest. However the model bolter is larger than a SM chest.

 

I still believe Primaris were meant to true scale and true stat the SM. However the test group and or the fear if public outcry about "GW only cares about SM" lead them to make Primaris. Hate how in tabletop SM are only as strong and "hp" as catachans, yet the lore has SM snapping spines, ripping Ork arms off, losing limbs and yet fighting on. Then scale of Eldar and humans are about right and SM are supposed to be towering over human are only slightly taller in games. DG/1ksons models seem spot on to scale.

 

 

I hear ya. They did a test and released stats of the actual space marines back in the early 2000s or late 1990s. You ended up with like a squad of 5 marines vrs 20-40 Orks. But the Space Marines usually won. They just can't have their flagship model line be like that. The company wouldn't be able to stay afloat financially. So they toned them down a bit. I love the Primaris and I agree they are an attempt at true scaling the space marines. I'm happy about it and just about ready to say goodbye to the old line. I loved them, but the new models look so damned amazing it is hard for me to even field the old sculpts anymore. 

[Kasper_Hawser]

 

Kasper the head fit because GW used proper sized guns and heads but squashed down bodies. Look at the artwork and you will see a bolter is smaller than a SM chest. However the model bolter is larger than a SM chest.

 

I still believe Primaris were meant to true scale and true stat the SM. However the test group and or the fear if public outcry about "GW only cares about SM" lead them to make Primaris. Hate how in tabletop SM are only as strong and "hp" as catachans, yet the lore has SM snapping spines, ripping Ork arms off, losing limbs and yet fighting on. Then scale of Eldar and humans are about right and SM are supposed to be towering over human are only slightly taller in games. DG/1ksons models seem spot on to scale.

 

 

I hear ya. They did a test and released stats of the actual space marines back in the early 2000s or late 1990s. You ended up with like a squad of 5 marines vrs 20-40 Orks. But the Space Marines usually won. They just can't have their flagship model line be like that. The company wouldn't be able to stay afloat financially. So they toned them down a bit. I love the Primaris and I agree they are an attempt at true scaling the space marines. I'm happy about it and just about ready to say goodbye to the old line. I loved them, but the new models look so damned amazing it is hard for me to even field the old sculpts anymore. 

 

 

Does this mean in universe, the Primaris marines are not THAT much bigger regular marines, as opposed to the puny size normal marine models have compared to Primaris marines models?

 

If so, hooboy,  if I want to make them consistent, it's going to be a loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg process converting my Grey Hunters to Primaris size. And as mentioned, we don't have big enough "wolf bling" to wolfify the primaris.