Guest Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Kasper the head fit because GW used proper sized guns and heads but squashed down bodies. Look at the artwork and you will see a bolter is smaller than a SM chest. However the model bolter is larger than a SM chest. I still believe Primaris were meant to true scale and true stat the SM. However the test group and or the fear if public outcry about "GW only cares about SM" lead them to make Primaris. Hate how in tabletop SM are only as strong and "hp" as catachans, yet the lore has SM snapping spines, ripping Ork arms off, losing limbs and yet fighting on. Then scale of Eldar and humans are about right and SM are supposed to be towering over human are only slightly taller in games. DG/1ksons models seem spot on to scale. I hear ya. They did a test and released stats of the actual space marines back in the early 2000s or late 1990s. You ended up with like a squad of 5 marines vrs 20-40 Orks. But the Space Marines usually won. They just can't have their flagship model line be like that. The company wouldn't be able to stay afloat financially. So they toned them down a bit. I love the Primaris and I agree they are an attempt at true scaling the space marines. I'm happy about it and just about ready to say goodbye to the old line. I loved them, but the new models look so damned amazing it is hard for me to even field the old sculpts anymore. Does this mean in universe, the Primaris marines are not THAT much bigger regular marines, as opposed to the puny size normal marine models have compared to Primaris marines models? If so, hooboy, if I want to make them consistent, it's going to be a loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg process converting my Grey Hunters to Primaris size. And as mentioned, we don't have big enough "wolf bling" to wolfify the primaris. Look at the scale of Primaris to DG to SM. DG are easily a head taller than SM and almost 2 heads taller than a human. This would put them about ~8ft in height which is were a lot of theories and lore place them. Primaris ARE larger than DG but only maybe half a head taller. Primaris could have been made slightly taller in CAD in order to make them a new unit instead of SM 3.0 (or is it 4.0?). Rescaling Marines is nothing new however people now days flip out about everything even for stuff they asked for. In universe they don't appear that much taller, a normal chaplain was bulkier than a primaris due to his honor and decorations. honor and decorations are not that large. Also artwork places them not too much taller, as the models show. edit: I tried to find the picture of someone comparing SM weapons on a primaris to artwork and showing that the old weapons are to closer to scale on primaris than old marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347574-latest-regimental-standard/page/2/#findComment-5090612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'd love to hear what you're running, as well. Always good to find out more of what can work. My current list is based around one i saw bulwyf running in an older thread about dreanoughts, cant remember my exacty setup but its along the lines of: HQ Bjorn Njal (TDA) Ragnar Troops 5x Grey hunter with plasma Gun 5x Grey hunter with plasma Gun 10x Grey hunter with 2 plasma Gun Elites 5x Wulfen (2THSS, 2GA, 1FC) Murderfang Heavy Support Land Raider Crusader Long Fangs with Lascannons Dedicated Transport Razorback (Ass.Cannons) Razorback (Ass.Cannons) ---------- Scarily low model count, but if you can screen stuff until it hits combat...it really REALLY hits...and pretty much everything is rerolling charges either due to their own rules, or being within 6" of ragnar. Admitedlly i was slightyl lucky last game as we rolled off for the mission where whoever deploys first decides if they want 1st or second turn rather than rolling off. But as you only have 7 drops to deploy, youll probably be getting that +1 to the rolloff most games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347574-latest-regimental-standard/page/2/#findComment-5090728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'm willing to bet we'll either get a proper primaris sw kit or a true scale xiith company in mkiii armour like death guard. Either way I'll be happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347574-latest-regimental-standard/page/2/#findComment-5090747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'd love to hear what you're running, as well. Always good to find out more of what can work. In the spoiler below is my pre-BIG FAQ ITC list that garnered me second and third place in the local tournaments. I will keep it behind a spoiler as this is not really a list discussion chat but you were interested. If you want to bounce questions off me I will start a topic in the list discussion forum. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [77 PL, 1341pts] ++ + HQ [20 PL, 311pts] + Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 239pts]: Assault cannon [22pts], Heavy flamer [17pts], Saga of the Warrior Born, Warlord Wolf Guard Battle Leader [6 PL, 72pts]: Frost sword [7pts], Jump Packs [1 PL, 3pts], Krakenbone Sword, Storm bolter [2pts] + Troops [26 PL, 394pts] + Grey Hunters [8 PL, 106pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader [13pts]: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol [39pts] . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon [26pts]: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun [13pts] . Wolf Guard Pack Leader [2 PL, 28pts]: Chainsword, Combi-plasma [15pts] Grey Hunters [8 PL, 106pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader [13pts]: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol [39pts] . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon [26pts]: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun [13pts] . Wolf Guard Pack Leader [2 PL, 28pts]: Chainsword, Combi-plasma [15pts] Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 91pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher [1pts], Bolt rifles, 4x Intercessor [72pts], Intercessor Sergeant [18pts] Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 91pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher [1pts], Bolt rifles, 4x Intercessor [72pts], Intercessor Sergeant [18pts] + Elites [13 PL, 231pts] + Wulfen [13 PL, 231pts] . 2x Great frost axe [34pts] . 2x Thunder hammer & Stormshield [42pts]: 2x Storm Shield [10pts], 2x Thunder Hammer [32pts] . 4x Wulfen [112pts] . Wulfen Pack Leader [43pts]: Frost claws [15pts] + Heavy Support [8 PL, 165pts] + Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma Incinerator [75pts] . 4x Hellblaster [72pts] . Hellblaster Sergeant [18pts]: Bolt pistol + Dedicated Transport [10 PL, 240pts] + Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Twin lascannon [50pts] Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Twin lascannon [50pts] ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [25 PL, 447pts] ++ + HQ [6 PL, 99pts] + Wolf Priest [6 PL, 99pts]: Jump Packs [1 PL, 22pts], Storm bolter [2pts] + Fast Attack [19 PL, 348pts] + Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf [1 PL, 15pts] Inceptor Squad [10 PL, 135pts]: Assault Bolter [60pts], 2x Inceptor [50pts], Inceptor Sergeant [25pts] Thunderwolf Cavalry [8 PL, 198pts] . Thunderwolf Cavalry [66pts]: Storm shield [10pts], Thunder hammer [16pts] . Thunderwolf Cavalry [66pts]: Storm shield [10pts], Thunder hammer [16pts] . Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [66pts]: Storm shield [10pts], Thunder hammer [16pts] ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [12 PL, 211pts] ++ + HQ [7 PL, 136pts] + Rune Priest [7 PL, 136pts]: 1. Storm Caller, Jump Packs [1 PL, 24pts], Psychic hood [5pts], Runic armour [7pts], Runic sword [10pts], Storm bolter [2pts] + Fast Attack [5 PL, 75pts] + Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf [1 PL, 15pts] Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf [1 PL, 15pts] Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf [1 PL, 15pts] Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf [1 PL, 15pts] Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf [1 PL, 15pts] ++ Total: [114 PL, 1999pts] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347574-latest-regimental-standard/page/2/#findComment-5090793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Does this mean in universe, the Primaris marines are not THAT much bigger regular marines, as opposed to the puny size normal marine models have compared to Primaris marines models? If so, hooboy, if I want to make them consistent, it's going to be a loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg process converting my Grey Hunters to Primaris size. And as mentioned, we don't have big enough "wolf bling" to wolfify the primaris. The primaris are taller. By about a head according to the lore revealed so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347574-latest-regimental-standard/page/2/#findComment-5090808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'd love to hear what you're running, as well. Always good to find out more of what can work. My current list is based around one i saw bulwyf running in an older thread about dreanoughts, cant remember my exacty setup but its along the lines of: HQ Bjorn Njal (TDA) Ragnar Troops 5x Grey hunter with plasma Gun 5x Grey hunter with plasma Gun 10x Grey hunter with 2 plasma Gun Elites 5x Wulfen (2THSS, 2GA, 1FC) Murderfang Heavy Support Land Raider Crusader Long Fangs with Lascannons Dedicated Transport Razorback (Ass.Cannons) Razorback (Ass.Cannons) ---------- Scarily low model count, but if you can screen stuff until it hits combat...it really REALLY hits...and pretty much everything is rerolling charges either due to their own rules, or being within 6" of ragnar. Admitedlly i was slightyl lucky last game as we rolled off for the mission where whoever deploys first decides if they want 1st or second turn rather than rolling off. But as you only have 7 drops to deploy, youll probably be getting that +1 to the rolloff most games. I love this list. The fact it is based off one of my lists makes me a little biased. But yes, when you close on someone you are going to drop bodies like mad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347574-latest-regimental-standard/page/2/#findComment-5090832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.