Chaos Space Marine Deathwatch?

[BloodWolves]

Hey all! Im trying to make a just for fun Codex/ Background for a Chaos Space Marine "Deathwatch" like Legion. I know that the Black Legion is basically like this but I was thinking of writing a Sub Legion that Abbadon created within the Black Legion or something.. consisting of Chosen Veterans of the Long War. Where you can have Khorne Berzerkers, Noise Marines, Plague Marines, Terminators and Chaos Undivided all in a "Kill Team". Abbadon has created an armory tithe for all Chaos legion to scour battlefields for fallen weapons/ vehicles to supply this Legion. So they'll have access to special weapons and they'll manufacture their own Special issue Ammunition (to be created and named). I know that chaos is well.. chaotic so having an organized Legion seems hard to conceive but if anyone has ideas to help me write the background or something please feel free. Just remember that this is for fun and just will be for home brewed games.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Yeah, it doesn't fit with my view of the background that there would be a legion supplied that way, as chaos isn't really organized into legions anymore - rather, the various legions have largely fragmented into warbands of various sizes, with even the traditional "legions" (emperor's children, death guard, world eaters, etc) being more of a collection of warbands than a cohesive legion.

 

However, what you propose would (IMHO) work as it does fit that a warband (or warbands) within the Black Legion might receive preferential treatment in terms of supplies and recruits, for any of a number of reasons, ranging from encouraging internal rivalries, rewarding past support, experimenting in tactics, dire (or not so dire) soothsaying, etc.

[The Nephilim]

Yeah, it doesn't fit with my view of the background that there would be a legion supplied that way, as chaos isn't really organized into legions anymore - rather, the various legions have largely fragmented into warbands of various sizes, with even the traditional "legions" (emperor's children, death guard, world eaters, etc) being more of a collection of warbands than a cohesive legion.

 

However, what you propose would (IMHO) work as it does fit that a warband (or warbands) within the Black Legion might receive preferential treatment in terms of supplies and recruits, for any of a number of reasons, ranging from encouraging internal rivalries, rewarding past support, experimenting in tactics, dire (or not so dire) soothsaying, etc.

To reinforce what Dr_Ruminahui said, the Legions don't exist anymore in the current fluff. They have fractured into various warbands. I would argue that only the Word Bearers still function as a true legion force, with the Black Legion functioning as a modern bastardization. 

 

That said, working as a warband within the Black Legion is 100% feasible. Keep in mind, the price for failure is high. 

[Khornestar]

Anointed Death Squads, or whatever. Can easily have an analogous organization with some creativity.

[BloodWolves]

Sorry.. I think i misused the term of Legion. I was trying to think of "War Band" but I just couldn't think of it. But yeah I like the idea of having Death Squads. I just want to write something that makes sense. There's always special forces for the good but to me.. theres nothing more terrifying than an organized, lethal, and well trained group who has nothing but bad intentions.

[Panzer]

To be fair, the only thing Black Legion is missing is being able to mix models from different units in the same unit.

What is the Deathwatch? A "chapter" composed of veterans from different chapters working together against Xenos threats.

What is the Black Legion? A warband composed of different warbands.

The only thing missing here is "veterans". Luckily Chaos Marines do have veterans on their own so you just take a unit of Chosen or Terminators and et voila you have a unit of veterans from different warbands working together (now the anti-Xenos aspect is still missing but while Chaos Marines are xenophobic as well their main concern is the IoM).

 

So you basically already have everything you need aside from being able to mix Terminators, Raptor or Bike models in a PA unit. It's just about how you fluff them out. Take any unit of Chosen or Terminators and you can just say they all come from different warbands. Give them different shoulder pads if you want to. Give them all different weapons to make them more unique as well. Add xenos weapons for even more variety like with the original Deathwatch. You can even say that this specific subgroup of the Black Legion is tasked to get rid of pesky xenos scum standing in your way to defeat the IoM.

[Xenith]

Read Talon of Horus.

 

Also, some of the later Honsou books, names the Blood Games or whatever it was called.

 

These feature well equipped marines of different god allegiances working together. 

 

Also check out the Night Lords trilogy. You can definitely see some...influences...of specific gods in the characters there, even though they are part of the same unit. 

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, it doesn't fit with my view of the background that there would be a legion supplied that way, as chaos isn't really organized into legions anymore - rather, the various legions have largely fragmented into warbands of various sizes, with even the traditional "legions" (emperor's children, death guard, world eaters, etc) being more of a collection of warbands than a cohesive legion.

 

However, what you propose would (IMHO) work as it does fit that a warband (or warbands) within the Black Legion might receive preferential treatment in terms of supplies and recruits, for any of a number of reasons, ranging from encouraging internal rivalries, rewarding past support, experimenting in tactics, dire (or not so dire) soothsaying, etc.

 

The Death Guard codex disagrees with you.

[DreamIsCollapsing]

 

Yeah, it doesn't fit with my view of the background that there would be a legion supplied that way, as chaos isn't really organized into legions anymore - rather, the various legions have largely fragmented into warbands of various sizes, with even the traditional "legions" (emperor's children, death guard, world eaters, etc) being more of a collection of warbands than a cohesive legion.

 

However, what you propose would (IMHO) work as it does fit that a warband (or warbands) within the Black Legion might receive preferential treatment in terms of supplies and recruits, for any of a number of reasons, ranging from encouraging internal rivalries, rewarding past support, experimenting in tactics, dire (or not so dire) soothsaying, etc.

To reinforce what Dr_Ruminahui said, the Legions don't exist anymore in the current fluff. They have fractured into various warbands. I would argue that only the Word Bearers still function as a true legion force, with the Black Legion functioning as a modern bastardization. 

 

That said, working as a warband within the Black Legion is 100% feasible. Keep in mind, the price for failure is high. 

 

 

I disagree. 

 

World Bearer split up, but it's clearly said in the new codex they keep working together as a warband, especially now than Lorgar is back. 

Someone who got the Thousand Son codex will be more accurate than I am, but i think Thousand Son are back as a legion with Magnus. 

Death guard is depicted as a Legion in the Dark Imperium novel (with disagrement between Mortarion and Typhus but still). 

Emperor's Children are also back as a Legion with Fulgrim back (with awesome Sonic Titan in Gathering storm II). 

Same thing with Iron warrior with Perturabo. 

Alpha Legion, depending on who write the fluff, never cease to be a legion. 

Son of horus/Black Legion are a legion almost exclusively under Abaddon command. 

 

In the new fluff, the only traitors legions described as warband are : 

- World Eater (maybe back to legion with Angron ?)

- Night Lord

 

So there is still numerous EC/IW/TS etc... warband, but the majority of 7/9 Traitors legion have recently come back as Legion. Wich is a new thing coming since end of 7th and now 8th with the return of Traitors Primarch (and with the huge success of Horus Heresy, it's not going to stop, GW will put more and more 30k into his 40k). 

[The Nephilim]

 

 

Yeah, it doesn't fit with my view of the background that there would be a legion supplied that way, as chaos isn't really organized into legions anymore - rather, the various legions have largely fragmented into warbands of various sizes, with even the traditional "legions" (emperor's children, death guard, world eaters, etc) being more of a collection of warbands than a cohesive legion.

 

However, what you propose would (IMHO) work as it does fit that a warband (or warbands) within the Black Legion might receive preferential treatment in terms of supplies and recruits, for any of a number of reasons, ranging from encouraging internal rivalries, rewarding past support, experimenting in tactics, dire (or not so dire) soothsaying, etc.

To reinforce what Dr_Ruminahui said, the Legions don't exist anymore in the current fluff. They have fractured into various warbands. I would argue that only the Word Bearers still function as a true legion force, with the Black Legion functioning as a modern bastardization. 

 

That said, working as a warband within the Black Legion is 100% feasible. Keep in mind, the price for failure is high. 

 

 

I disagree. 

 

World Bearer split up, but it's clearly said in the new codex they keep working together as a warband, especially now than Lorgar is back. 

Someone who got the Thousand Son codex will be more accurate than I am, but i think Thousand Son are back as a legion with Magnus. 

Death guard is depicted as a Legion in the Dark Imperium novel (with disagrement between Mortarion and Typhus but still). 

Emperor's Children are also back as a Legion with Fulgrim back (with awesome Sonic Titan in Gathering storm II). 

Same thing with Iron warrior with Perturabo. 

Alpha Legion, depending on who write the fluff, never cease to be a legion. 

Son of horus/Black Legion are a legion almost exclusively under Abaddon command. 

 

In the new fluff, the only traitors legions described as warband are : 

- World Eater (maybe back to legion with Angron ?)

- Night Lord

 

So there is still numerous EC/IW/TS etc... warband, but the majority of 7/9 Traitors legion have recently come back as Legion. Wich is a new thing coming since end of 7th and now 8th with the return of Traitors Primarch (and with the huge success of Horus Heresy, it's not going to stop, GW will put more and more 30k into his 40k). 

 

I'm still catching up on all the lore. I've been absent from the hobby and background reading for the last two to three years. This makes me happy. 

[BloodWolves]

Sorry again.. Im sorry i used the word Legion. A specialized Warband is what i meant. I think like even chaos need to address the growing Xenos threats. Maybe a leader of chaos saw the deathwatch in action and wanted to create an efficient kill team too. What color or armour scheme would you go with? I was thinking something like the Red Corsairs with tge right arm with a warband or chaos god affiliation but what color for the left arm?

[The Nephilim]

Sorry again.. Im sorry i used the word Legion. A specialized Warband is what i meant. I think like even chaos need to address the growing Xenos threats. Maybe a leader of chaos saw the deathwatch in action and wanted to create an efficient kill team too. What color or armour scheme would you go with? I was thinking something like the Red Corsairs with tge right arm with a warband or chaos god affiliation but what color for the left arm?

Whatever you want. Your warband, your colors. I'd incorporate black and gold if you're allying yourself to the BL though.

[Khornestar]

You could have an entire host of Word Bearers dedicated to xenos slaying, with their own unique shade of red.

[Sonoftherubric21]

It sounds like you are talking about "companies" and basically all chaos legions have something like this; yours would sound like some form of Recon company/pirating company. 

SOME of the chaos legions are horribly fragmented, but many of them still function as cohesive wholes. 

Iron Warriors still function cohesively as a true "legion" (all chaos forces have squabbles, but they still come together when daddy calls) This includes the "grand companies" of the Iron Warriors which are still cohesive units (seige companies, Blood-bound style companies for seiges) things like that all still exist within 40k. Iron warriors were and still are a huge legion. Makes sense they would have a Recon company such as your discussing. 

 

Black Legion are famed for continuing the brotherhood even now in 40k, thats the point! and within the legion they have tons of sub-commanders that lead detachments. the "Hounds of Abbadon" are a khorne/Biker company within the black legion that are abbadons front-and-center warrior company.  He has sub-companies for Slannesh (what my army is themed on), Nurgle, Tzeentch, and undivideds.   I am certain one in there would fit for the recon work your referring to. 

Another cohesive force is Word Bearers. they still (more or less) function as a cohesive whole when called by the counsel of Apostles (and since daddy is back in the game....id imagine that is more so now)  So they could also work, always need fuel for daemon worlds and such.