Aothaine Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Mortis dreadnought (2 twin lascannons) I understand that las cannons are goo but that is 200 points alone in lascannons. Couldn't you fit another Mortis Dreadnought with twin autocannons in the list if you drop the lascannons? [HS] Mortis Dreadnought - 135 (PL 8) - Twin Autocannon x2 [HS] Mortis Dreadnought - 135 (PL 8) - Twin Autocannon x2 Yeah you should be able to take two of these bad boys instead of the one with twin lascannons. I know their only S7 but you have a good number of anti-tank units already. I wonder if the lascannons are actually needed. How did the quad lascannon mortis dread perform in the game? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5099995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leth Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Mortis dreadnought (2 twin lascannons) I understand that las cannons are goo but that is 200 points alone in lascannons. Couldn't you fit another Mortis Dreadnought with twin autocannons in the list if you drop the lascannons? [HS] Mortis Dreadnought - 135 (PL 8) - Twin Autocannon x2 [HS] Mortis Dreadnought - 135 (PL 8) - Twin Autocannon x2 Yeah you should be able to take two of these bad boys instead of the one with twin lascannons. I know their only S7 but you have a good number of anti-tank units already. I wonder if the lascannons are actually needed. How did the quad lascannon mortis dread perform in the game? Lascannons are 25 points each, so that is 100 points, not two hundred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Lascannons are 25 points each, so that is 100 points, not two hundred. Brain farted. I was toying around with the Land Raider Varients last night and for some reason I got 50 points stuck in my head per lascannon. :p My bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 What are the rules with taking a FW Mortis(I am guessing they are FW)? I have a Venerable Dreadnought that I wanted to add a Missile Launcher to but for the life of me I cannot find a bits site that has any available. The only option is to buy a normal Dreadnought then possibly use the rest of that model(and a FW arm) to build a Mortis. Then I thought why not just take an extra detachment and the new Helverins? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leth Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 What are the rules with taking a FW Mortis(I am guessing they are FW)? I have a Venerable Dreadnought that I wanted to add a Missile Launcher to but for the life of me I cannot find a bits site that has any available. The only option is to buy a normal Dreadnought then possibly use the rest of that model(and a FW arm) to build a Mortis. Then I thought why not just take an extra detachment and the new Helverins? What are the rules with taking a FW Mortis(I am guessing they are FW)? I have a Venerable Dreadnought that I wanted to add a Missile Launcher to but for the life of me I cannot find a bits site that has any available. The only option is to buy a normal Dreadnought then possibly use the rest of that model(and a FW arm) to build a Mortis. Then I thought why not just take an extra detachment and the new Helverins? Yeah the new helverns really fill the anti tank gap for us, work even better than custodes IMO. Will have to see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomortis Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 Mortis dreadnought (2 twin lascannons) I understand that las cannons are goo but that is 200 points alone in lascannons. Couldn't you fit another Mortis Dreadnought with twin autocannons in the list if you drop the lascannons? [HS] Mortis Dreadnought - 135 (PL 8) - Twin Autocannon x2 [HS] Mortis Dreadnought - 135 (PL 8) - Twin Autocannon x2 Yeah you should be able to take two of these bad boys instead of the one with twin lascannons. I know their only S7 but you have a good number of anti-tank units already. I wonder if the lascannons are actually needed. How did the quad lascannon mortis dread perform in the game? Yeah that's certainly a possibility. A Mortis Dread is 75 points with no weapons, you then have to take a pair of: - Twin autocannons - Twin lascannons - Missile launchers - Assault cannons - Multi-meltas - Heavy plasma cannons There are some really good options, especially combined with the teleportarium strategem. The only issue is modelling the dread in the first place! I proxied using my Ven dread and I had a Forgeworld twin autocannon arm that I purchased years a go for my Dark Angels Ven dread but then never done anything with. In the game it did ok. I parked it high up, in cover with good line of sight and pinged out 4 lascannons shots per turn hitting on 3+. It's a good option for me to use as 'Relic tax' as I have folded my hellblasters into a fortis kill team and taking land raiders each game is just unrealistic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I'm looking really close at a Relic Contemptor with 2 C Beam cannons. They look awful at first....until you look at their anti-horde potential. Start at S6 d3 damage at 24", and add another 2S and d3 damage every additional 24" out. Meh. BUT. If you kill a model with the initial shot that model's unit takes an additional 2d6 S6 0AP hits. Consider the high probability of killing a Termagant or something at 50" away and you are hitting the rest with 2d6 autohitting shots. Now multiply that by 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leth Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I think Anti horde is the least of the deathwatches worries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5100635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I might take a Mortis then, buy the dreadnought kit and the FW Laz Cannon arm. I was going to buy the Missle Launcher but it went last chance to buy and sold out... The problem with the Helverins is that you have to take either 1 or 3(Super Heavy Auxilary/Normal Detachment)? But that three damage per shot is nice. Is there a rule of only 3 detachments for a 2K game? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5101025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 ooh how odd, Mortis is Heavy and not elite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5101029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Is there a rule of only 3 detachments for a 2K game? AFAIK that's a Matched Play rule, though I'm not certain if it's "required" or "suggested". Locally, all events limit us to 3 Detachments as a standard, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5101568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I think you're right with the twin Battalions but it really does force us to go minimal squads. I have been trying to make my list with everything I wanted to try out but I just can't get the points for the Mortis. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Deathwatch) [67 PL, 1151pts] ++ + HQ + Watch Captain [5 PL, 79pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Lord of Hidden Knowledge, Stalker Pattern Boltgun, Warlord Watch Master [7 PL, 130pts] + Troops + Veterans [19 PL, 288pts] . Biker: Chainsword, Twin boltgun . Biker: Chainsword, Twin boltgun . Biker: Chainsword, Twin boltgun . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Chainsword, Twin boltgun . Vanguard Veteran: 2x Bolt Pistol . Veteran: Stalker Pattern Boltgun, Storm shield . Veteran: Stalker Pattern Boltgun, Storm shield . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . Watch Sergeant: Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Boltgun Veterans [11 PL, 172pts] . Vanguard Veteran: 2x Bolt Pistol . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon . Watch Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm Bolter Veterans [9 PL, 152pts] . Veteran: Stalker Pattern Boltgun, Storm shield . Veteran: Stalker Pattern Boltgun, Storm shield . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . Watch Sergeant: Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Boltgun + Elites + Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Deathwatch) [54 PL, 849pts] ++ + HQ + Chaplain [7 PL, 91pts]: Bolt Pistol, Jump Pack Librarian [6 PL, 97pts]: Bolt Pistol, Force sword + Troops + Intercessors [16 PL, 285pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher . Aggressor . . Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher: Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets, Fragstorm Grenade Launchers . Hellblaster: Bolt Pistol, Plasma incinerator . Hellblaster: Bolt Pistol, Plasma incinerator . Hellblaster: Bolt Pistol, Plasma incinerator . Inceptor . . Two Assault Bolters: 2x Assault bolter . Intercessor: Bolt Pistol, Bolt rifle . Intercessor: Bolt Pistol, Bolt rifle . Intercessor: Bolt Pistol, Bolt rifle . Intercessor: Bolt Pistol, Bolt rifle . Intercessor Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolt rifle, Chainsword Veterans [14 PL, 191pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Power axe, Twin boltgun . Black Shield: Lightning Claw (Pair) . Terminator: Lightning Claw (Pair) . Veteran: 2x Chainsword . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Lightning Claw (Pair) Veterans [11 PL, 185pts] . Vanguard Veteran: 2x Bolt Pistol . Veteran: Boltgun, Storm shield . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Deathwatch Frag Cannon . Veteran w/ Heavy Weapon: Infernus Heavy Bolter . Watch Sergeant: Storm Bolter, Storm shield ++ Total: [121 PL, 2000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe I really wanted the melee group as I liked the look of the models, the chaplain will drop in and summon them to him. Teleporting the Primaris and the librarian, possibly one of the frag cannon squads but then the Watch Master will be foot slogging it. Might be worth teleporting the frags behind the melee but I would have to change the Chaplain to a Captain. Also replace the Hellblasters with some Aggressors, such nice models. So many options :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5101857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisada Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 ooh how odd, Mortis is Heavy and not elite. Its great in the heavy slot because you can take one and then unlock the relic leviathan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5101977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 How does the relic stuff work? Do you have to have a single normal model to unlock or something in the same section such as Heavy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5102333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 You essentially cannot have more Relic units than non-Relic units of the same battlerole. So to get one Relic Deredeo, you need a normal elite unit. For a Relic Leviathan, you need a normal heavy unit. If you want 2 Relic Leviathans, you need two normal heavy units, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347890-first-win-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5102342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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