SwashBuccaneer Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 At first I was stoked to pop this dude in my list but now I'm wondering if I would get much use out of him in a mobile Kill Team force. Wondering if I might be better off dropping him and putting his points to use elsewhere. Thoughts on his effectiveness? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloeberjong Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Well, I never use apothecaries. For the odd 70 points you can add 3 intercessors, which is 6 more wounds. Not sure if he'll bring those back during the battle. They could be a saver in rare situations, but that wouldn't be why I'd take them. Basically, their special rule isn't worth it....well to me anyway. I don't miss them and I've never had a situation pop up where I'd go like: well, I sure wish I had an Apothecary around... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Seconded. Healing abilities in general, unless "built in" and automatic (ie. Belisarius Cawl), aren't worth investing in. It's not that healing itself is bad, but the prevalence of 2+ Damage weaponry means that often the Apothecary won't have anything to do healing-wise, and his resurrection ability being a 50/50 shot means he'll waste at least 50% of his turns on flubbed rolls (unless you want to burn Command Re-Rolls, but that's a pretty poor use of CP IMO). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwashBuccaneer Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Nice. That's what I was starting to think when I looked at it deeper. At first I was like, "Oh heals, rezzes, AND a cool model?! Sold!" but the more I thought about it and played with my list and figured the game out I was starting to debate his usefulness overall. I also grabbed a Primaris Librarian the same day and not sure if I want to use him or not either. I do need 2 HQs so I have him paired with my Watch Master and figured some Psyker stuff would be nice. This is why I've decided to not buy or build anything else until I have my lists made. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Red Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 If you love the model and just want to have fun, then maybe put him with a unit of Hellblasters, or backfield vets with heavy weapons? I'd say pair him with a unit that is soft that will get perceived as a high threat from your enemy. All in all your right your probably better off just ditching him and taking more models in his place. Still a cool model though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwashBuccaneer Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yeah, I've thought about keeping him with my Fortis Kill Team that I plan to operate at midrange. I'm planning to do 5 bolter investors with 3 hellblasters an inceptor and an aggressor. Trying to also put together another squad or 2 together too bit starting to get tight on points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Personally I think he's a difficult fit. He increases your drops, doesn't share a vehicle with -most- units you end up taking, and costs a bit too much unless you get really hot. I will say I used him a lot with my Ultra's, but there was a big difference... that army was much more static than Deathwatch and it had the Banner dude resurrecting the dead just long enough to pop a shot off then the Apothecary would bring one back to life. That was an interesting combination that isn't available to Deathwatch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwashBuccaneer Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Personally I think he's a difficult fit. He increases your drops, doesn't share a vehicle with -most- units you end up taking, and costs a bit too much unless you get really hot. I will say I used him a lot with my Ultra's, but there was a big difference... that army was much more static than Deathwatch and it had the Banner dude resurrecting the dead just long enough to pop a shot off then the Apothecary would bring one back to life. That was an interesting combination that isn't available to Deathwatch. I can see him being valuable in that kind of army, but like you said way more static. My list so far is very mobile and he couldn't keep up. Side note, but how come we can't use Gravis Captains, Ancients, or Lieutenants? They have <chapter> keyword. You can't mark them as Deathwatch instead of <chapter>? Noob question this is all new to me though. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5098985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Red Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Personally I think he's a difficult fit. He increases your drops, doesn't share a vehicle with -most- units you end up taking, and costs a bit too much unless you get really hot. I will say I used him a lot with my Ultra's, but there was a big difference... that army was much more static than Deathwatch and it had the Banner dude resurrecting the dead just long enough to pop a shot off then the Apothecary would bring one back to life. That was an interesting combination that isn't available to Deathwatch. I can see him being valuable in that kind of army, but like you said way more static. My list so far is very mobile and he couldn't keep up. Side note, but how come we can't use Gravis Captains, Ancients, or Lieutenants? They have <chapter> keyword. You can't mark them as Deathwatch instead of <chapter>? Noob question this is all new to me though. Thats been the big question from all of the Deathwatch community to GW. Our guess is that with Mission Tactics there isn't a need for Lieutenants. As for the other models a lot of people speculate that sense GW doesn't have a version of those guys without molded in generic sholder pads we don't get access to them. Maybe they don't want to advertise just use a razor blade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5099175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwashBuccaneer Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Personally I think he's a difficult fit. He increases your drops, doesn't share a vehicle with -most- units you end up taking, and costs a bit too much unless you get really hot. I will say I used him a lot with my Ultra's, but there was a big difference... that army was much more static than Deathwatch and it had the Banner dude resurrecting the dead just long enough to pop a shot off then the Apothecary would bring one back to life. That was an interesting combination that isn't available to Deathwatch. I can see him being valuable in that kind of army, but like you said way more static. My list so far is very mobile and he couldn't keep up. Side note, but how come we can't use Gravis Captains, Ancients, or Lieutenants? They have <chapter> keyword. You can't mark them as Deathwatch instead of <chapter>? Noob question this is all new to me though. Thats been the big question from all of the Deathwatch community to GW. Our guess is that with Mission Tactics there isn't a need for Lieutenants. As for the other models a lot of people speculate that sense GW doesn't have a version of those guys without molded in generic sholder pads we don't get access to them. Maybe they don't want to advertise just use a razor blade? Well, at least I'm not alone in wondering that lol. I turned my Lieutenant into the Sgt for my Auto Bolt rifle squad. I have a kill team with 6 of them in it and needed one. Been using all of the DI box marines I can. Starting to get good at hacking apart arms. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5099240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius0288 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 I will agree he's not been the most useful in terms of reviving models. To this day, I have still not revived a single model. I have used him as bait several times, trying to protect other troops or characters. He has also saved my watchmaster a couple times when I got deep striked....from the rear.... anyways. The really legitimate use I've found for him is either completing a vanguard detachment (because I like to bring a dreadnaught and sometimes aggressors), and taking a cheap elite choice as a tax for my sicarian tank. But I'm with most of you, it's probably better to put the points in extra intercessors if you have the models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347916-thoughts-on-the-primaris-apothecary/#findComment-5099299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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