Drizzt79 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just an idea...a question If I would have 3 librarians and a land raider, and if each librarian would cast might of heroes successfully on it, would my land raider be toughness 11? And if so, would it be worth to do that in your opinion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 It can only be cast once per psychic phase, and its effect only lasts a turn, so it's not possible. That being said, T9 is still good against things like laacannons or other S9 weaponry, and would be worth it if you knew it had to tank a few of those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5101820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 It can only be cast once per psychic phase, and its effect only lasts a turn, so it's not possible. That being said, T9 is still good against things like laacannons or other S9 weaponry, and would be worth it if you knew it had to tank a few of those. I thought that each psyker could cast a psychic power once, are you sure it can be cast only once during a psychic phase even if I have 3 librarians? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5101829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Yes, except for smite, all psychic powers can only be cast once for the entire phase no matter how many psykers have it. It's a universal rule and has been in place since 8th dropped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5101836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 Ok then I suppose T9 on a landraider should be good enough :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5101841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal van Trapp Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Yes, except for smite, all psychic powers can only be cast once for the entire phase no matter how many psykers have it. It's a universal rule and has been in place since 8th dropped. Technically it's a matched play rule, if playing open or narrative its once/psyker. Although I know few people who play open or narrative Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5101925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Drizzt79, on 08 Jun 2018 - 1:20 PM, said:Ok then I suppose T9 on a landraider should be good enough :-) I prefer a T9 Leviathan personally. Yes, except for smite, all psychic powers can only be cast once for the entire phase no matter how many psykers have it. It's a universal rule and has been in place since 8th dropped. Technically it's a matched play rule, if playing open or narrative its once/psyker. Although I know few people who play open or narrative Even in open and narrative play like abilities don't stack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5101929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 I see a lot of people using a leviathan or other fw models. Personally I don’t like to use fw, feels like a pay to win thing IMO. What do you think guys? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5102014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta.Skies Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I see a lot of people using a leviathan or other fw models. Personally I don’t like to use fw, feels like a pay to win thing IMO. What do you think guys? I'm with you on that. They are a bit more expensive. Feels just like how freemium treats you. Yea you can use gw units but if you spend a lil more you could use these units. But if you use them you are gonna pay for them in points so you will be paying for it and dwindled down to that strategy. I saw a bat reopen from glacial Greek that's used Bobby g, tigurius, and a leviathan and it was re roll everything against DW. And it was brutal. But to come back to it. Might of heroes spam with the rules you woul have to hit on 7 8 and 8 which I think is against you and have you spending cp on 1 turn for Rerolls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5102022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueApiary Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I see a lot of people using a leviathan or other fw models. Personally I don’t like to use fw, feels like a pay to win thing IMO. What do you think guys? I think it's fine. It's not as though FW units are automatically better because they cost more. It's a little more annoying with Deathwatch though because they cut off so many Codex heavy support options you're kind of forced to go FW unless you use allies instead. The Leviathan has been great most of my games, but he still dies in a one or two turns to any competent list. The relic rule also goes a long way towards keeping it balanced as you can't really spam them. I never really feel like I got an added bonus because I paid more vs. it just being a really solid unit that fills a gap the DW desperately need filled, which is armor that can threaten tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5102096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I would agree that FW was looked at less favourably in 7th, but probably no longer the case in 8th. Some units are good, but probably not to the extent people still believe. A lot of negative press is left over from 7th that some veterans haven't gotten over yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5102345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 For the record, Matched Play rules state that you can only attempt to cast each power once. So if you bring 3 libbies and all have the same powers, then fail to get your first two powers off, you’re SOL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5102396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 Yes Matched play rules limit that unfortunately (or fortunately) So I was wondering if deepstriking a Redemptor together with a librarian in termi armour, and give the redemptor S8 T8 5A could be helpful, or better forget it and use my standard JP captain for rerol 1s.....or both....so many deepstrikes....so many dilemas :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5102554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Also note that T9 won't appreciably stop your opponents from murdering your LR if they really want to, given the prevalence of S10+ attacks and/or mortal wounds. It's a speedbump, but getting the LR an Invulnerable save is generally going to be more useful (or Feel No Pain like abilities). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5103877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 How do you get an invulnerable save for an LR ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5103998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta.Skies Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 How do you get an invulnerable save for an LR ? A relic on a watch captain, if you dont move gives a +5 invullnerable bubble Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 So we can cast might of heroes for T9, the relic on a captain fo 5++, and in case of mortal wounds use armour of contempt +5 save on mortal......a super landraider :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 To be fair, I wasn't specifically referencing DW's ability to do so or not (though Delta.Skies makes a great point). More so that a LR's Toughness is not strictly its biggest issue in terms of durability, and therefore that buffing it won't appreciably enhance said durability to the same extent that adding additional saves would. I'm certainly not saying you can't or shouldn't try this strategy if you feel it will be successful, OFC :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Even with 5++ I just don't think they are worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 Even with 5++ I just don't think they are worth it. Its a pity, especially because I bought one some time ago....maybe I’ll paint it and sell it on ebay.....or maybe I’ll just use it for fun from time to time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Even with 5++ I just don't think they are worth it. At their current price? Yes, I agree. But if they went down in price while gaining access to a modest invuln, and could shoot out of combat (even if its just the crusader that does this), then it'd be in a better place. The damn thing is 100 points more expensive and weaker against T8 than the more flexible AM tank commander. That 100 point premium apparently pays for 4 more wounds, a 2+, and transport capacity. Those extra wounds and 2+ won't mean much when you start to use it as a transport though since it'll get silenced by being pulled into combat the moment it gets close to the enemy, so you're really just paying 100 extra points to get a squad or two inside to reduce your drop chance. You could run a quad las Pred and two heavy bolter razorbacks for the same price all without having to risk the las preds damage by driving it into the thick of the fighting. That would effectively match the same weapons on the LR (plus an extra heavy bolter) while exceeding the transport capacity and blowing it away on number of wounds. The LR is at least 100 points too expensive for what it brings today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 With Destroyers and lances high armor doesn't really have a chance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348016-might-of-heroes-on-a-landraider/#findComment-5104143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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