Captain Idaho Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 You read right. I missed it in the FAQ but we can totally fire a Hellfire Shell from a Devastator squad, use the Signum to for a 2+ to hit, the spend the Cherub and fire the Hellfire again, with the benefits of the Signum! A single Devastator squad can therefore put 2D3 Mortal Wounds on an enemy, whilst a 2nd Devastator squad can out a Flakk Missile twice onto something else/same target! Had to talk about it because off all our naff combos, this one is golden! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Maybe we are not total garbage after all <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5101818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I always advocate bringing at least 2 units of Devastators equipped with 2xLascannon, 1x Heavy Bolter, 1x Missile Launcher and Cherub for just this reason! I've had great success running 2 of them plus a Dual Storm Cannon leviathan and Tigurius in a Spearhead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5101878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Cool brother that is a very nice Dev build for this edition. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5101881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joukernaut Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Would this trick cost you 4 CP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5103665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 CP per Strategum. The extra shot is free (well you spend your cherub). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5103670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Would this trick cost you 4 CP? 2CP: 1 for Flakk Missile, 1 for Hellfire shell. The Cherub effectively gives you a free CP when used in conjunction with either of these stratagems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5103979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jober Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 You could get an Apothecary for rising the Cherub from the grave. Only in case heavy weapon marines were not dying Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 You could get an Apothecary for rising the Cherub from the grave. Only in case heavy weapon marines were not dying Sadly that doesn't work. You can resurrect the Cherub, but the ability to double shoot is restricted to once per game per cherub. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Well wouldn't it technically be a new Cherub then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Well wouldn't it technically be a new Cherub then? I certainly wouldn't count on that ruling from a Judge. IMO the text is pretty clear on how it works. "Once per game, after a model in this unit has fired, an Armorium Cherub can reload that model's weapons. When it does so, remove the Armorium Cherub and that model can immediately shoot again..." I read it as a unit ability that allows the reload. The removal of the Cherub is just a byproduct. Bringing the Cherub back doesn't get around the 1/game bit. EDIT: The Apothecary rules are pretty specific that the model added to the unit is the same model that was initially removed "...a single slain model is returned to the unit..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Probably a case for the FAQ. I don't want to decide on any of the two interpretations nor argue about it right now. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jober Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I'm not going to lie, I didn't know the real wording of both rules, it was only an idea, I wasn't trying to cheat or re-interpreting the rules. Sorry if it seemed unfair or lacking of sportmanship Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I'm not going to lie, I didn't know the real wording of both rules, it was only an idea, I wasn't trying to cheat or re-interpreting the rules. Sorry if it seemed unfair or lacking of sportmanship Not at all, it's a totally valid question! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Yeah the question is legit and there isn't really a definite answer to it. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 My interpretation is its the same Cherub. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 I feel like it's the same Cherub thus can't be done twice. Actually it only says a slain model in the Apothecary rules so actually you can't return a Cherub since its removal wasn't caused by it being slain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I feel like it's the same Cherub thus can't be done twice. Actually it only says a slain model in the Apothecary rules so actually you can't return a Cherub since its removal wasn't caused by it being slain. Unless you use it to take a hit instead of one of your juicy heavy weapon toting boys? I know my dev's tend to take a lot of fire if I don't get turn 1, sacrificing the cherub then ressing it for shooting the following turn would be viable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 Yeah that would be fine but you're still only using the Stratagems recycling once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348018-getting-flakk-missiles-and-hellfire-shells-twice-in-a-turn/#findComment-5104790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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