Heliomanes Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Greetings, fellow Adepts.I've been tinkering with some lists lately, and need to get something clarified. Is there something getting in the way of doing a detachment of Admech with mixed forgeworlds, and utilize stratagems from the various components?It seems very attractive, now with the added interest in a Knight detachment, a Guard cp-battery and so on - taking a detachment of Admech with Cawl and his robot buddies, some Stygies Dragoons or Electropriests to infiltrate them, and maybe some Lucius Vanguard with plasma weaponry to deep strike...I know you won't get the detachment wide bonus, but honestly that doesnt seem too much of a hassle to me. The Mars one isn't all that, and the -1 to hit from Stygies isn't going to do too much if you want to infiltrate them in close anyway.So - is this legal? And do you think it could be a viable choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 To get the Stratagems I believe you must bring a full detachment of that faction. So you'd have access to the "Adeptus Mechanicus" stratagems, but not the individual Forge World Dogma based ones. So to get the Stygies one you'll need a full Stygies detachment (Patrol minimum, as Auxilliary don't count). This is still very doable with your idea, it would just mean taking things like a Mars Spearhead for Cawl + Robots, or a Stygies Outrider for Dragoons/ Priests. Lucius could then be a Battalion for the Vanguard. Personally, I'm not a fan of playing like this as unless your units are painted differently it's hard to keep track of for you and your opponent - but it's perfectly legal so go nuts! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 Thanks for the reply, Charlo!That's what I thought as well, but upon rereading the codex (page 96), it seems to me that we have access to all stratagems, including those connected to different forge worlds. The full quote is this; "If your army is Battle Forged and includes any Adeptus Mechanicus Detachments (excluding Auxiliary Support Detachments), you have access to the stratagems shown below (...)"The Stygies stratagem is in this list, for instance, but is differentiated in that it targets keyword Stygies units specifically. Am I missing something here?I agree with you when it comes to painting and modelling, but I see this as a huge opportunity. Having Stygies Dragoons, Martian Robots and Lucius Vanguard in your army seems a lot like the mercenary companies and orders connected to reneissance era city states - that the 30k Mechanicum Taghmata was modelled on. It gives you a lot of interesting ways to paint them and convert them, making a truly heterogenous force almost like the old Dogs of War forces for warhammer fantasy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Rules is rules so it would seem you may well be correct there based on your quote from the book on Stratagems, not a bad find! So really all you would be giving up is access to the individual Dogma rules from what I can tell, which is bold for sure. I like your way of thinking of it as Dogs of War - it could look really cool on the table aswell! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Stygies stratagem is in this list, for instance, but is differentiated in that it targets keyword Stygies units specifically. Am I missing something here? Haven't got the codex on me.... But do they not gain their specific forgeworld keywords by being taken in a full detachment, and then you choose what that dectachment is. E.g. The stygies strategem for infiltrating only affects units with 'Stygies' keyword.... but units don't come with 'stygies' keyword....I don't see how else would the keyword be acquired other than choosing one as part of each detachment setup (the way battlescribe currently works is you assign one FW per detachment too). Still...as charlo says, you could eeasily fit 2-3 different detachments within 1 list, and give them each different forgeworlds. It certainly makes things more competitive (and ive seen lists often mixing mars/stygies) I like your dogs of war idea a lot...if i dint have 2k points of admech already paitned up in one scheme id think about doing the same (most of the time i barely remember to do canticles right though, never mind remembering 3 different FW at once hehe) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 Good point, Dan! I checked it out in the codex (page 72), which states the following;"(...) If an Adeptus Mechanicus datasheet does not specify which forge world it is from, it will have the <Forge World> keyword. When you include such a unit in your army, you must nominate which forge world that unit is from. (...) You then simply replace the <Forge World> keyword in every instance on that unit's datasheet with the name of your chosen forge world."So it seems like this section of the rules at least tell us to allocate on a unit to unit basis, rather than a detachment basis. Still, I could be missing something here, and I'd be very happy if someone could set me straight.Very happy that you like the Dogs of War idea. In the 30k Mechanicum rules and lore, they have a bunch of different Orders and organizations with their own hierarcies, power structures, iconographies and so on - Ordo Reductor, Myrmidon Cults, Legio Cybernetica covenants etc that band together from time to time. And I really like that idea, fluff and modelling-wise as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosteldar Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Dogs of War idea is great! It will be fun to play! Regarding the Forge World rules. You are correct that you must assign a unit to a Forge World, and since all units within a detachment must have the same keyword; they must share a Forge World. So you cannot mix Forge Worlds within a detachment, but may have separate detachments from different Forge Worlds, as nicely described by Charlo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 Glad you like it, Frosteldar!Still, I've been rereading the codex, and I can't find anything that stops me from using the "Adeptus Mechanicus" keyword as the uniting keyword for the detachment. From what I can see, it only stops you from using the Forge World Dogma - stratagems, warlord traits and relics however seem to be unit dependent rather than detachment dependent. I'd be happy to be shown where I'm reading things wrong though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosteldar Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I'll have to take a look when I get home and see! There was a recent FAQ which also modified how detachments work, so I would highly recommend you go here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/ And checkout the Big FAQ from April 16th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 I'll have to take a look when I get home and see! There was a recent FAQ which also modified how detachments work, so I would highly recommend you go here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/ And checkout the Big FAQ from April 16th. The "Battle Brothers" rule from the big FAQ specifies that we can't use "Imperium" as the common faction keyword for a detachment, but says nothing about "Adeptus Mechanicus". I haven't found anything else yet, but do let me know if you see something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348148-admech-and-mixed-detachments/#findComment-5104666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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