Deathgrip question vs heroic intervention

[solarisqc]

Simple question here, if a model using heroic intervention come into contact with a knight with a fist, can the knight target the model with Deathgrip even if he have not declare a charge against it?

 

The stratagem have specific targeting rules (single model unit less than 1'' away) but the stratagem also say make 1 additional attack so do you need a valid target for the attack our you only use the targeting rules writen in the stratagem?

[solarisqc]

I like the idea of a small hero doing heroic intervention to save his comrade and be taken in a deathgrip by the knight before he can do anything.

[PeteySödes]

Based on RAW "after the models fights" and "enemy unit that consists of 1 model" i'd say yea they could snipe an intervening model out.

 

Seems pretty clear thoughI it may be FAQ bait but atm I think it'd be allowable.

[Stray]

I would say yes, absolutely. 

 

RAW, there are two elements which constitute requirements to use Death Grip:

 

- The Knight must have fought.

- The Knight must choose an enemy unit within 1", that consists of a single model, to be the target of Death Grip.

 

There's nothing to say that the Knight must have charged, only that he must have fought (so if the Knight has been charged, performed an HI etc, these should all be valid scenarios as the Knight can fight - whether first or second). It also states nowhere that the Knight must use Death Grip on the unit he had been fighting. So a character that has HI'd into combat, would be at risk if in range.

[solarisqc]

Thanks for the fast answer, i also think the stratagem can target someone doing HI but i want to highlight it. I hpoe it's included in the FAQ just to make it clear.

[Stray]

Thanks for the fast answer, i also think the stratagem can target someone doing HI but i want to highlight it. I hpoe it's included in the FAQ just to make it clear.

 

It certainly could be clearer :)

 

I've added your question to the boards FAQ for others to look at.

[Lysere]

The main issue regarding Deathgrip is does it skip the assault rule of not being able to target something you didn't charge? I can see it going either way honestly but you can always just declare the charge anyway and be good since GW hasn't taken a firm stance on what counts as having "charged."

[facmanpob]

A different question on the same topic:

 

The Death Grip stratagem says "Use this Stratagem immediately after fighting...". Does that mean after you have finished the Fight phase for the Knight (i.e. steps 1-6 including consolidate movement), or just after you have finished step 5 (Resolve close combat attacks)?

[Stray]

A different question on the same topic:

 

The Death Grip stratagem says "Use this Stratagem immediately after fighting...". Does that mean after you have finished the Fight phase for the Knight (i.e. steps 1-6 including consolidate movement), or just after you have finished step 5 (Resolve close combat attacks)?

 

Honestly? I don't think it's possible to tell from the wording in this instance. For me, I suspect the intent is to use the Strat straight after you resolve your last CC attack, but that's little more than a guess based on 'feel'.

 

I'd go with whatever interpretation feels right to you, and if an opponent disagrees, roll off to see which version you go with. It's just not clear enough to rule on conclusively.

[Tyriks]

I don't think this is nearly so clear as people are saying. It is an attack, and nothing in the stratagem tells you to ignore standard targeting rules for attacks. Specifying a unit within 1" doesn't automatically mean any unit within 1" because the game has limitations built in already, none of which are explicitly circumvented here.

 

With regards to consolidation I think RAW it is allowed because that happens before you conclude "fighting". I think an FAQ will likely change this, though, because after attacking makes much more sense.

[Vel'Cona]

Speaking of our impeding IK FAQ, has this been submitted to GW?

[Tyriks]

I have, on both counts.