BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Lhorke was a good man amongst monsters.... * sniffs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Cyrene ain’t no daisy either. No, but to hear Argel Tal tell it, she ain't a fool pretending that down is up because she doesn't like how physics works. If the Emperor had told Lorgar the truth about Chaos from the beginning, I have no doubt that he would have been one of the most loyal Primarchs. As it was, the Chaos Gods could (rightly) say the Emperor was trying to pretend that 2+2=5 because he doesn't like the number 4. Do you explain to your dog why it shouldn't pee in the house? Or do you just discipline it when it happens and hope they have learned to not do it again? The Emperor was 38k years old by the time the Primarchs came about, it makes sense that he operated on a need to know basis. You just tell your kid spiders are dangerous, so don't play with them. They don't need to know how venom attacks the nervous system, they're just little kids. And that's all the Primarchs are, a bunch of little kids. When you're dealing with beings that can rewrite reality at a whim, yeah, I think a bit more info than "there are xenos in the Warp" is required. These aren't poisonous spiders, they're arguably godlike entities powerful enough that a single one of them wiped out almost the entire Eldar empire overnight, and now there are 4 of them. Telling the Primarchs "they're bad and you should never have anything to do with them" is stupid, because there's plenty of evidence that the Primarchs themselves only exist due to the aid the Emperor received from these beings. This goes way beyond "don't do drugs kids because they'll kill you instantly" then seeing your friend smoke a joint, the Primarchs were often specifically designed as psykers, manipulators of that same energy the Emperor is saying is intrinsically tainted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Telling the Primarchs they are bad news is an excellent idea actually. But go ahead make it up it is entertaining . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I never said that telling them that Chaos is Bad isn't the right thing to do, just that given how intrinsically tied they are to it, and how reliant the Imperium is on the Warp, the Emperor should have told them everything, not just that "there are bad things, ignore them". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 All the Primarchs that fell are the most inherently flawed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 While that's an interesting discussion topic, I do fear we're getting a bit off-topic, unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Not necessarily - think of it this way, almost if not every Primarch that decided to remain loyal to the Emperor and Imperium was asked to join the dark side... none would have not been accepted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 The fact remains though that this topic is about the novel Betrayer, not whether the various Traitor Primarchs were inherently flawed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Seeing Erebus nearly getting his thread cut was a nice moment. But ABD had to troll us by getting us excited with a moment where he (Erebus) was about to be killed, just to have that snatched away. ...That was harsh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 Erebus had a date with the Talon anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 All the Primarchs that fell are the most inherently flawed. i think rather than flawed it was the ones who dressed the part: looks like the grim reaper looks like a vampire/batman/ goth looks like a raving red lunatic looks like a drow looks like a cyclops forget stcs, if the emp wanted to know which primarchs were gonna fall he should have led the crusade to locate copies of marvel comics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348224-things-you-like-about-betrayer/page/3/#findComment-5126760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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