Orpheus108 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Greetings All Im building a freeblade knight with a background story of following the Carcharodon Astra to battlefields, but wanted to have the 2 Armingers join him. So my question is can Armingers be Freeblades? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Greetings All Im building a freeblade knight with a background story of following the Carcharodon Astra to battlefields, but wanted to have the 2 Armingers join him. So my question is can Armingers be Freeblades? Huh. What an excellent question! I've just looked through the Codex, and RAW, a Freeblade is any Imperial Knight unit where the <Household> Keyword has been replaced with FREEBLADE, so RAW, yes - Armigers can indeed be Freeblades. I'd never really considered that I have to admit, but it seems completely legal to do, and might open up some interesting possibilities. If nothing else, Armigers are really fast, and being Freeblades would mean we could give them Ob-sec... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 You need to look harder in the codex bruh, they have an actual example of an armiger freeblade with an image to boot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 You need to look harder in the codex bruh, they have an actual example of an armiger freeblade with an image to boot Cat books don't have pictures you see. They're entirely written in smells. (In fairness, the Codex also contains two annotated images where Armigers grant CP, so I don't trust much of the content outside of the rules section :P) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 well take a good sniff on page 50 in the bottom left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthaside Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Inspired by the idea of an army of Objective secured Armigers by a certain stray, I've had a quick " smell " of the rules for free blades.( p.s. stop getting fur in my paint jobs my own cats do that enough) There's a little bit of an issue here, yes you can have Freeblade Armigers, As written it doesn't seem to forbid them and has examples of them. Sadly it does look like there may be an issue with granting a unit or armigers " Sworn to a quest " to give them Ob-sec.Freeblade Qualities and Burdens page 118 , Reads " you can give one <FREEBLADE> Model in each detachment burdens and qualities. So a unit of Armigers, ( 2 3, 9 ? !!! ?) Cannot get the full benefit of the Quality only 1 model in the detachment can .. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 List of things I never thought I'd read on this forum... well take a good sniff on page 50 in the bottom left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 Inspired by the idea of an army of Objective secured Armigers by a certain stray, I've had a quick " smell " of the rules for free blades. ( p.s. stop getting fur in my paint jobs my own cats do that enough) There's a little bit of an issue here, yes you can have Freeblade Armigers, As written it doesn't seem to forbid them and has examples of them. Sadly it does look like there may be an issue with granting a unit or armigers " Sworn to a quest " to give them Ob-sec. Freeblade Qualities and Burdens page 118 , Reads " you can give one <FREEBLADE> Model in each detachment burdens and qualities. So a unit of Armigers, ( 2 3, 9 ? !!! ?) Cannot get the full benefit of the Quality only 1 model in the detachment can .. So if you have 3 Armingers with 1 in a LoW Aux slot, so each Arminger could have a burden/quality Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Lore-wise, Armigers are briefly mentioned on pg. 48; the short version is that it's not uncommon for a Knight's Armigers to follow when he goes Freeblade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Does that mean you could give your free relic to an Armiger in a detachment as well since it's now a character? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Inspired by the idea of an army of Objective secured Armigers by a certain stray, I've had a quick " smell " of the rules for free blades. ( p.s. stop getting fur in my paint jobs my own cats do that enough) There's a little bit of an issue here, yes you can have Freeblade Armigers, As written it doesn't seem to forbid them and has examples of them. Sadly it does look like there may be an issue with granting a unit or armigers " Sworn to a quest " to give them Ob-sec. Freeblade Qualities and Burdens page 118 , Reads " you can give one <FREEBLADE> Model in each detachment burdens and qualities. So a unit of Armigers, ( 2 3, 9 ? !!! ?) Cannot get the full benefit of the Quality only 1 model in the detachment can .. So if you have 3 Armingers with 1 in a LoW Aux slot, so each Arminger could have a burden/quality Potentially, yeah. As long as all three were in different Detachments, you could make each Ob-sec via burdens & qualities. Does that mean you could give your free relic to an Armiger in a detachment as well since it's now a character? Yep. Sure does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Honestly, I think this might actually make Armigers (Warglaives especially) more attractive to me. Slip one into your Lance, make it a Freeblade, give it Sworn to a Quest. Add another in a SH Aux detachment, make it a Freeblade, give it Sworn to a Quest. Now you have two very fast, reasonably durable, Ob-Sec+ units which can blitz around all over the place stealing objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Honestly, I think this might actually make Armigers (Warglaives especially) more attractive to me. Slip one into your Lance, make it a Freeblade, give it Sworn to a Quest. Add another in a SH Aux detachment, make it a Freeblade, give it Sworn to a Quest. Now you have two very fast, reasonably durable, Ob-Sec+ units which can blitz around all over the place stealing objectives. Also a great reason for my converted one with siege fist and plasma cannonade too. Sweet! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 Well now that makes my Freeblade Knight with 3 Armiger Freeblades (Thermal spears and Reaper Chain-blade to fit in with the Carharadons love of close combat) all with burden/qualities just so much fun now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Well now that makes my Freeblade Knight with 3 Armiger Freeblades (Thermal spears and Reaper Chain-blade to fit in with the Carharadons love of close combat) all with burden/qualities just so much fun now Only one Freeblade per detachment if you want qualities and burdens remember. So max of three at 2000 points ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 Mmmmmmm, 3 SH Aux made up of 1 knight and 2 Armingers. Should work nicely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm still not sold on the Burdens/Qualities thing. If you select your bonus then it's generally going to be to try and balance a reflective Burden (and vice versa), and rolling means you could get a crippling Burden or benefits that just don't work for the Knight in question (such as a melee-oriented buff on a Helverin). Just enjoying Knightly House rules that you know will benefit your Armigers (such as Raven for Warglaives or Taranis in general) seems like a wiser solution, assuming you were planning to take a full Super-Heavy Detachment in the first place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm still not sold on the Burdens/Qualities thing. If you select your bonus then it's generally going to be to try and balance a reflective Burden (and vice versa), and rolling means you could get a crippling Burden or benefits that just don't work for the Knight in question (such as a melee-oriented buff on a Helverin). Just enjoying Knightly House rules that you know will benefit your Armigers (such as Raven for Warglaives or Taranis in general) seems like a wiser solution, assuming you were planning to take a full Super-Heavy Detachment in the first place. I tend to agree in general re: Q&B's, but in this instance it's a really neat way to get access to Ob-Sec in 'purer' Knight lists. I think actually other than a relic, it's literally the best option for playing the objectives game. Armigers matter far less than our larger Knights, so missing out on a Tradition in their case is going to be much less impactful. Plus they are really, really quick. I don't much like Freeblades either, but in this instance, I think it's an elegant way of shoring up a largeish hole that we've had in our armies for some time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthaside Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 My Armiger Warglaives were epic last game 14 inches and a 5 on the advance 1 made a full tilt , turn one charge on a land raider in my foes deployment zone .... his land raider was cowering behind a building to deny my line of sight for shooting it so as a result, it didn't get to overwatch me either , the Armiger only managed to do a few wounds to it ... but it forced it to fall back ... and thus not shoot at me .. this continued next turn while I handled anything else who could hurt my knights .I could see a role for 1 with Obsec ... very much so and the burden's don't come into play that often... if you are fortunate with your leadership checks , but it means giving up your houshold ....To me it feels like something one uses on a lone knight in a single LoW in a supreme command slot to make up for not getting a household. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 How do you find your knights against elder and sisters, we have a big sisters player here and he fields a lot of troops, as I was thinking the warglaives would be very handy for removing whole units with the reaper chainblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5108969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthaside Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I've not run them against sisters ... my plan is actually to run them " with my sisters" as a cheap CP battery which arent even interested in using up CP, instead of my rangers when I fancy a change, plus I get to bring a rhino for " Reasons" .2 Cannoness's3 x 5 man sisters squads and a Rhino 304 points *Insert Knightly goodness * https://photos.app.goo.gl/NjJ7wU2Htk3fuJaj9 Matilda my Knight Crusader looking over her little sisters with pride, not finished yet ... like everythingWaiting for bloody transfers off ebay >.< As for killing them, Sweep made short work of a 5 man Primaris unit, 8 attacks hitting on 3's wounding on 3's and the marines get a 5 up save you should probably kill around 2 , Against 1 wound, T3 units you'd be wounding on 2's with sweep , Dont expect it to one shot the unit without shooting some of it up first .... I also wouldnt charge them into combat units ... this is an anti-vehicle hunting unit its not designed for combat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5109157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 Thanks for that syntheside, my friend runs seraphim and lots of heavy squads and using the saint. So I'll run a shooting game against him first and try to run c.f. squads up while using the knight as fire support. Syntheside, nice work on your sisters and knight. A question for all, the renegade knight, is there anything coming out for them or is it just from the renegade box set (getting it this this Friday ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5109209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 A question for all, the renegade knight, is there anything coming out for them or is it just from the renegade box set (getting it this this Friday ) Ouch! The salt... being rubbed in my open wound!.. :P This is something of a sore point :P I've asked GW this same question many times now. As of this moment, there are no plans regarding Renegades. That said, they've had a LOT of comments about this, and if nothing else I suspect we'll have to see a point adjustment to bring things in line with the Codex. Fingers crossed ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5109211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 We can only hope so, as I'll running my renegade knight with my death guard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5109217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthaside Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I would call the armigers " capable" in combat but they won't wipe a unit out in 1 go , they should make very short work of seraphim though just be careful of those horrible inferno pistols and trust in your 5++, unless your drowning in CP for rotate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348293-can-armigers-be-freeblades/#findComment-5109221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.