Karhedron Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 This is part of the reason I'm going to be making a list using both when I can. See how that plays out. Only real issue will be durability since only one will have the 4++ warlord trait. I think the Castellan really wants the First Knight trait to reroll 1s and make the most of that Plasma Decimator on Overcharge. So by extension Ion Bulwark would be free for the Valiant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 A Castellan who is House Raven and uses their Strategem is a terrifying sight as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 It really depends on your army, I build around my big guy, so I run a gallant and warden. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtoof Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 The Castellan is for smart people who crunch the numbers and play it safe. The Valiant is for people who make the noises when they move their toys, and say things like ‘For the Emperor’ while rolling dice. I would get a Valiant, and I would get a special big dice just for the harpoon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 The Castellan is for smart people who crunch the numbers and play it safe. The Valiant is for people who make the noises when they move their toys, and say things like ‘For the Emperor’ while rolling dice. I would get a Valiant, and I would get a special big dice just for the harpoon. Yes, this princeps gets it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 A Castellan who is House Raven and uses their Strategem is a terrifying sight as well. It is indeed but at 2CPs a pop, you will likely only play it once or twice (although it will be glorious while it lasts). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 House vulker is nice too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 A Castellan who is House Raven and uses their Strategem is a terrifying sight as well. It is indeed but at 2CPs a pop, you will likely only play it once or twice (although it will be glorious while it lasts). Indeed, but then again the ability to turn one point at 2-3 targets and say, "get this filth off my table!" is very nice! XD I put it in the same category as Full Tilt with a Gallant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 The Castellan is for smart people who crunch the numbers and play it safe. The Valiant is for people who make the noises when they move their toys, and say things like ‘For the Emperor’ while rolling dice. I would get a Valiant, and I would get a special big dice just for the harpoon. Are you implying that people who make the occasional noise when playing a game, and say the occasional silly thing when playing a game that fits into the lore are stupid? Because saying that the the Castellan is just for smart people makes it sound like you're putting down people who don't power game, or people who want to enjoy themselves. If someone where to make silly noises and say silly things all the time, yeah that's annoying, but come on man. Don't make yourself out to be some brilliant general. We're playing a game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Dude, Redtoof is saying that he himself is in the second category. No need to get insulted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Honestly I was more insulted by the implication that because i have a castellan i wouldn't make silly noises and that i wouldn't invoke the Emperor when i make my rolls. Well actually if I'm perfectly honest I wasn't insulted at all, but perhaps ever so slightly miffed ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5115998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 I don't power game I'm old enough to have a mortgage and college age approaching children and yeah I make noises and invoke the emperor in my games too! I also want both versions because MOAR TOYZ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Get the one you want, and magnetize all the weapons. FW has already announced they will be adding new options for Dominus Knights, and you can rest assured there will be a secondary market for alternate Dominus weapon systems. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 The Castellan is for smart people who crunch the numbers and play it safe. The Valiant is for people who make the noises when they move their toys, and say things like ‘For the Emperor’ while rolling dice. I would get a Valiant, and I would get a special big dice just for the harpoon. Are you implying that people who make the occasional noise when playing a game, and say the occasional silly thing when playing a game that fits into the lore are stupid? Because saying that the the Castellan is just for smart people makes it sound like you're putting down people who don't power game, or people who want to enjoy themselves. If someone where to make silly noises and say silly things all the time, yeah that's annoying, but come on man. Don't make yourself out to be some brilliant general. We're playing a game. I think you completely missed the point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Missed the point and the spear behind it boys. Nah for real though, I bought and painted a Valiant just cause the harpoon fits the house blackwood big monster hunter theme. I have yet to field it in a game, the point cost is a bit daunting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I wish the Harpoon had a CC profile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 The Harpoon Flail. The Valiant just unspools the harpoon, then starts spinning its top section around and around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ For all intents and purposes it does as you can just fall back and shoot with it. So the only time the pistol keyword would be useful is if you couldn't or didn't want to fallback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5116661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ For all intents and purposes it does as you can just fall back and shoot with it. So the only time the pistol keyword would be useful is if you couldn't or didn't want to fallback. Yeah, but is that really the same as the awesomeness of having your Valiant do a Beyblade impression? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5117152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ For all intents and purposes it does as you can just fall back and shoot with it. So the only time the pistol keyword would be useful is if you couldn't or didn't want to fallback. Yeah, but is that really the same as the awesomeness of having your Valiant do a Beyblade impression? Indeed. My point exactly. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5117166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annatar Giftbringer Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ But if it was classed as a pistol, then the knight would be unable to fire all the other weapons on the same shooting phase? Or am I misremembering and mixing things...? A CC profile would be great though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5117615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ But if it was classed as a pistol, then the knight would be unable to fire all the other weapons on the same shooting phase? Or am I misremembering and mixing things...? A CC profile would be great though :) As a pistol, you could target the unit you are CC with during the Shooting phase, instead of disengaging. And it’s thematic. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5117807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Kind of wish the Harpoon had the Pistol keyword, so you could still use it in CC. SJ But if it was classed as a pistol, then the knight would be unable to fire all the other weapons on the same shooting phase? Or am I misremembering and mixing things...? A CC profile would be great though You are correct. If shooting a pistol, it's the only weapon type you can shoot in that phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5117912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 It's a very large weight, attached to a very large chain... I mean: Seems obvious enough right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348316-valiant-or-castellan/page/3/#findComment-5117933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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