Khornestar Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 As per Brother Tyler's suggestion, here's a thread for Questor Traitoris (and Dark Mechanicum, by extension, for Index: Chaos knights). We've got some exciting new options, as well as reduced point costs for our Renegade Knights. A lean, mean, legit army list! PDF of the index for those who don't have it already: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ENG_Index_Renegade_Knights.pdf Apparently loyalists don't have access to the re-roll hits stratagem, which is nice. I don't think it's really worth using on any of the FW knights, but for a dual battle cannon/avenger knight it kicks serious ass! A melee knight is already hitting on 2+, which is a super cool change, so precious CP could be saved in that situation. As far as I know, a hellwright (also in the FW chaos index) is the only unit that can heal our knights. In terms of army composition, I think for my World Eaters the most knights I'd ever bring is a single knight flanked by 2 armigers. For Renegade Guard, probably 2 knights, 2 armigers, and a whole bunch of squishy bodies. What do you think? Got any pictures of your knights to share? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBULENCE Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 My knights are still early in construction, but my list is two questoris(warden and errant configurations) and a dominus(valiant), a small r&h battalion for extra CP and to put some infantry on the table and the aforementioned hellwright (with abyant) to help heal up the Knights and bring his own impressive firepower to the table. I can show off the hellwright for now. I had kinda hoped armigers and dominus would get free weapon selection but I get why they didn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 Such a cool conversion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 My knights are still early in construction, but my list is two questoris(warden and errant configurations) and a dominus(valiant), a small r&h battalion for extra CP and to put some infantry on the table and the aforementioned hellwright (with abyant) to help heal up the Knights and bring his own impressive firepower to the table. I can show off the hellwright for now. I had kinda hoped armigers and dominus would get free weapon selection but I get why they didn't. Your Hellwright looks amazing. Can we get more pics of him? What House are you doing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBULENCE Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 My knights are still early in construction, but my list is two questoris(warden and errant configurations) and a dominus(valiant), a small r&h battalion for extra CP and to put some infantry on the table and the aforementioned hellwright (with abyant) to help heal up the Knights and bring his own impressive firepower to the table. I can show off the hellwright for now. I had kinda hoped armigers and dominus would get free weapon selection but I get why they didn't. Your Hellwright looks amazing. Can we get more pics of him? What House are you doing? After this weekend, once I'm home again, certainly. Custom house, but loosely based off the fantastic malinax scheme. Wip pics for my first Knight are up in my DG log. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 That is a nice comversion! Can't wait to see some paint! The oportunity for chaos to encorporate knights is a real boon imo. While marks would have been nice, it's still exciting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 True, for that brief window in 7th where we had that option, it was very cool. Just having the reduced/same price as loyalists is good enough for now. Maybe one day they'll find their way into a proper codex of sorts, or more likely get expanded in Chapter Approved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Just having the reduced/same price as loyalists is good enough for now. "Just"? Renegades got massive boost in the ability to take character status, so you can give them warlord traits - and both +1A and FNP are big upgrades for them, for free... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 I could have phrased it better, I suppose. I'm saying at minimum, considering nothing else, I'm happy with the points being reduced and in line with loyalists. Everything else is icing on the cake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 As I stated on the News and Rumour thread, it's just nice that GW have acknowledged the existence of, and haven't forgotten about, the Questor Traitoris. It's the little things, y'know? It gives me hope for a Dark Mechanicum book in the far future too. On another note, I haven't paid much attention to the Imperial said of things, so just how viable could pure Renegade Knight lists be? Not as much as Imperial Knights for obvious reasons, but plausible? I also don't know how much of a NO FUN ALLOWED list they are this edition compared to last. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 I think they are absolutely playable now. As a pure list, they won't have that many CP, but by the same token, there are only 2 stratagems that will essentially be used every single turn, so 3 CP a turn (if possible). One Super-heavy detachment allows them to do that for 2 turns. Not bad, really. 354 points for a melee-only (with heavy stubber, of course) knight, and (164 x 2) 328 for 2 melee armigers = 682 points for the cheapest detachment possible that still generates 3 CP. 2 of those minimum detachments are 1364 points, and that will give you 9 CP, which is pretty good. If playing a 2k list, that's 636 points to upgrade weapons, add some armigers, or even throw in a dominus chassis (594 for the flamer/harpoon version, 604 for the shooty version). To do it another way, you could have a flamer/harpoon dominus and 2 chainsword/fist knights for 1302 points. 6 CP from this detachment, so again 9 total. Again, one can upgrade the knights' guns and add an armiger or two. Pretty sweet! Not even close to the same level as a pure Imperial Knights list IMO (with household traits, relics, and more stratagems) but I think one could play a pure RK list and have fun with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5111875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 On another note, I haven't paid much attention to the Imperial said of things, so just how viable could pure Renegade Knight lists be? Not as much as Imperial Knights for obvious reasons, but plausible? I also don't know how much of a NO FUN ALLOWED list they are this edition compared to last. On one hand, less viable, because you're lacking household bonus (stratagems and traits are about equal unless you fish for very specific thing, and relics are nice but totally optional). On the other, more viable, because renegades have grandfathered free built bonus from before the inane WYSIWYG phase GW has now. Best shooty knight build right now is 2x Avenger that can only be build by renegades, slap that reroll stratagem on it and it's going to be pretty obscene. Grab a few of these, maybe melee knight too, sprinkle some Armigers in, and the job's a gud 'un Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Dark gods help me. I just picked up another pair of knights via the Renegades kit. I can't wait to festoon them with grisly trophies and rotting blood.Now I just need a decent conversion 'recipe' for the gatling avengers... considering Gundam parts... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Spellcrow has some really nice avenger bits Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 With making one of renegade knights a warlord with a trait, do you use the traits from Imperial knights? I'm running for a fun game a warden with battle-cannon, reaper chainsword and ironstone launcher with 2 warglaives. ( will pick up 2- 4 helverin soon though) and r&h units for a target. Maybe leman russ for added support. Now have to work getting my valiant knight for just firepower, I've been wanting on R&H to get some major firepower support in renegade knight and will kick around some lists like adding 3 warglaives and 3 helverins, of which I can't wait to field them against the guys here at the club. But now have to work on a DarkMech guy to go around and fix the knights? Another question, the forgeshrine, is that imperial only fortification? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus108 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Don't worry, forgeshrine has keyword imperium, forgot about reading that bit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Spellcrow has some really nice avenger bits Got a link? I just had a quick look and couldn't find them. Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 http://www.spellcrow.com/gatling-cannon-p-494.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Ah, I didn't realise they'd chucked it in with the Marine bits. Cheers! Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Spellcrow has some really nice avenger bits Got a link? I just had a quick look and couldn't find them. IIRC, it's cheaper to just grab a Forgefiend, use gatlings and assorted bits on Knight, then still have Plasmafiend left over: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Na5atg6hSvA/U-NfW_JizpI/AAAAAAAAP4M/yGltgqNNmV8/s1600/img_0181.jpg With making one of renegade knights a warlord with a trait, do you use the traits from Imperial knights? No, generic ones. They are better though, IIRC, say FNP works on mortal wounds too unlike IK version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I also happen to have two Forgefiend Gatlings lying around! Well I know what I'm doing once my Renegade box shows up, cheers guys! Dragonlover P.S: I'm gonna add plus signs to the topic title, bring it in line with all our other community threads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I was really sure I was going Loyalist, then I realized I almost always forget to use stratagems and stuff anyway, and I would rather have double weapons. So, Traitoris it isis Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 A user on Dakka made this handy table for comparing knight weapon loadouts against various targets. This shows you the wounds expected per round of shooting per weapon: I made this follow-up table using data from above, comparing dual-gun loadouts as well as comparing the two dominus configurations (without swapping missiles). I didn't factor in carapace weapons, meltas, or stubbers since they weren't included in the original table. One must obviously take the targets into account, but with this table it's clear that dual gatling is the best across all targets. With the re-roll hits stratagem, these results can only improve. Melta cannon appears a close second, but its damage is highly skewed toward vehicles. Between the dominus variants, I'd say the flamer loadout is the winner, given that with the volcano variant, damage is again skewed toward vehicles. If burning 3 CP to re-roll shooting for a dominus, the volcano variant will probably do more damage, as re-rolling the harpoon/cannons/missile of the flamer variant may only situationally be worth it. Of course, range and other factors are important. Just sort of a "big picture" thing to keep in mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
banis Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 So outside of taking double gatling knight, Hellwrights healing better than normal ad mech, and maby stacking some minus leadership with the new relic. What other stuff can we do with renegade knights that imperial ones cant?. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 I believe the reroll hits stratagem is unique to RK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348431-darkest-oaths-questor-traitoris-thread/#findComment-5112289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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