Helverin / Warglaive kit question

[Glute]

Does the boxed kit enable you to make one of each type (Helverin & Warglaive) or can you only build 2 of the same type?

 

I'm thinking I'd like to have 1 each vs 2 of one type. 

 

But then again I haven't played this army yet so don't really have a clue whether one or the other is better...

[Marshal Reinhard]

They're in sepperate kits and you get 2 of them in their respective kit. So either 2 Helverins or 2 Warglaives.

 

I'm sort of in the same conondrum because I want to have 3 of each, but have 2 of each. Buying another kit will have me end up with 4 of the one type i buy.

[CommodusXIII]

You could buy a third Warglaive/Helverin separately through a bits vendor. Or, find someone in the same boat and trade.

[mertbl]

I hoping to split a box for 3 of each.

[Felstone]

Step 1: Buy Warglaive kit

Step 2: Buy this kit from Shapeways

Step 3: Magnets!

 

ta-da you now have an Armiger+, no worries about what comes in what kit

[Kinstryfe]

Step 1: Buy Warglaive kit

Step 2: Buy this kit from Shapeways

Step 3: Magnets!

 

ta-da you now have an Armiger+, no worries about what comes in what kit

 

I dunno. If it's down to $60US for 4 of that gun kit, or $59.63US down at my local shop to just buy two helverins, I'll take the extra complete models :)

[synthaside]

Honestly ... I've been consistently underwhelmed by my Helverins, the weapon seems excellent on paper .... but when I roll 4 d3 shots it seems to end up at about  4-5 ... and unless I'm firing at elder type fliers or tau battlesuits the shots struggle to wound/convert -1 ap it's kinda meh ...  whats funny is ... as a direct result of things like big knights coming back to the game I'm seeing people use dedicated transports to try to protect assault troops
 

Sure the autocannons will murder things like Primaris when they aren't in cover but 2 of them couldn't kill a rhino. (average is 8 wounds) 
A savvy player is going to hide any good targets from the thing, plus we have buckets of ways of killing Infantry in our army, plasma , Grav , Dakkabots, corpiscari even Skitarii can make a mess of t4 stuff 1 wound marines , gaurd etc.

For 10 points less i can have the melta which does about the same average damage but with just one lucky shot can totally shred vehicles and then go on to maul things in combat , im firmly in camp chainsaw.

[Karhedron]

Helverins are a bit situational but they excel against certain targets. Dark Eldar or Harlequin transports, any Eldar Aircraft, Necron vehicles with quantumn armour, Necron Wraiths. Units who rely on Inviulkberable saves.

 

For dealing with conventional vehicles, the Thermal spear is superior. Once you start adding on unusual rules like Fly, Invulenrables saves etc, the Helverins start to prove their worth with their higher rate of fire and fixed 3 damage.

[CaptainMarsh]

The key to the Helverin is his range. He won't kill a vehicle in one or two rounds (though I did take out three Basilisks in two rounds with two of them plus a transport just last night) but he will be able to reliably stay at long range, out of most easy anti-tank weapon fire. It is also an excellent anti-Custode weapon. His key is his survivability by staying at range and being reliable. Of course if you roll 4-5 shots none of it really matters, just like if you roll minimum shots of nearly any weapon the weapon platform is useless.

[Vel'Cona]

Not that I want to stymie the conversation, but perhaps discussion of the values of Helverins could be taken to its own topic?

[jeffersonian000]

I don’t shoot one Helverin at a target, I shoot two. 8d3 hitting on 2’s re-rolling 1’s (Mentor bonus) gets that D3 per wound where I need it.

 

SJ

[CaptainMarsh]

I don’t shoot one Helverin at a target, I shoot two. 8d3 hitting on 2’s re-rolling 1’s (Mentor bonus) gets that D3 per wound where I need it.

 

SJ

It isn't D3. It is simply 3. That is why the Helverin is as effective as it is! :D

[jeffersonian000]

 

 

I don’t shoot one Helverin at a target, I shoot two. 8d3 hitting on 2’s re-rolling 1’s (Mentor bonus) gets that D3 per wound where I need it.

 

SJ

It isn't D3. It is simply 3. That is why the Helverin is as effective as it is! :D

D3, not d3. I’ve been gaming for nearly 40 years, so “D” means “damage” while “d” means “dice”.

 

SJ

[CommodusXIII]

I think the confusion is that a lot of sources refer to 3 Damage as 3D, not D3, precisely because it can be confused with a random dice roll.

[jeffersonian000]

3D means three dimensional.

 

SJ

[CommodusXIII]

In most cases yes, but very few people are going to get confused about inflicting "3 dimensions per wound".  It would be yelling at the clouds, anyway, since #D is already common notation to refer to damage values.

[Stray]

There are a lot of different short hands around. Another common one used in the 40K community is 'DD3' for example.

 

Treat them like an acronym. I feel best practice is to never assume your audience will know what it stands for, so preface the first usage in a document/post with what you are communicating: '...does D3 (three sided dice) shots'. '...does d3 (three points of damage) shots'.

[jeffersonian000]

Heavy 2d6 S8 AP-2 Dd3

 

Heavy 12 S6 AP-2 D2

 

I see no issues.

 

SJ

[CaptainMarsh]

 

 

I don’t shoot one Helverin at a target, I shoot two. 8d3 hitting on 2’s re-rolling 1’s (Mentor bonus) gets that D3 per wound where I need it.

 

SJ

It isn't D3. It is simply 3. That is why the Helverin is as effective as it is!

D3, not d3. I’ve been gaming for nearly 40 years, so “D” means “damage” while “d” means “dice”.

 

SJ

 

I and everyone I play with say 3D if it is 3 Damage and D3 if it is random rolled damage. Different strokes for different folks!

[Vel'Cona]

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