Cruor Vault Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I never see Calgar in any of our competitive lists. Is he too expensive? Are re-rolls to hit not something we value as much as versatility? Are his stats/rules not useful enough to take him over a generic Captain? Try as I might, I can never seem to fit him into a list despite his fantastic CP value and extremely durable chassis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 He's actually extremely good value for points. He needs a nice hammer to stand next too of course since giving rerolls to Tacticals is a bit underwhelming, especially when he can give rerolls to something else whilst Tacticals benefit from Scions of Guilliman. The question is; what does he accompany? I don't like talking gunlines but there is a play go make there I guess. Teleporting in with lots of Terminators and Vanguard might be nice though. He's a solid lump up close and with plenty of models to soak attention he is very viable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5114338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I've used him once so far and teleported him behind the enemy with a terminator squad. They did ok, but not amazingly. I think he's probably better used as countercharge with the big guns, like other terminators he's just too slow and easy to keep at arm's length once he's down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5115057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 He used to be my go to Warlord. He’s used best anchoring your gun line imo . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5115472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Two ways I used him: 1: A direct replacement to Guilliman in a mid/long range gunline, advancing and willing to slug it out if he has to (usually with an LT). This is an easy way to fill out your HQ for a Battalion and you get the CP/regen you need and without Guilliman this does open the second Battalion possibility up for you. 2: Deepstrike cannonball. A big squad of Plasma Inceptors, and/or Cataphractii and/or Reivers. The Plasma Inceptors are mandatory. With all the other stuff you're playing for varying levels of 'fun' or just anti-spam (Reivers). This cannonball can gut a vehicle, but it is more strong I found when used in conjunction with a one-two punch with something else... let's say a Flyer is eyeing up a hard target, or you are trying to get a Dread(s) through to a hard target.... This unit can clear massed Chaff pretty good. I've used it against Chaos massed cultists (Inceptors of bolt and plasma variety) and the Inceptors counter the stuff that is chewing you up at range; Obliterators (after they've come down), Dark Reapers, Hive Guard, etc, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5115755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Calgar is great. As Prot mentioned, he can easily be used as an aura buff/counter charge warlord and functions great. If you add a lieutenant you can fill the mandatory HQ slots and come away with a much cheaper Space Marine detachment. Guilliman's problem is his massive cost, as well as the fact you still need other HQs. Unfortunately following repeated cost increases as well as an escalating codex creep in other armies the Primarch is now over-priced, so Calgar is indeed worthwhile considering. He also excels if you run him alonside 9 Inceptors with Plasma. Drop in, shoot, re-roll, delete. Inceptors are hands down the best deep-striking unit Marines now have access to. You could also run a few units of Bolter Inceptors for thinning hordes. Don't waste points on Terminators - they lack the firepower and combat power their cost implies they should have. (Deathguard and Slaanesh Terminators are the real deal, however) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5117332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Calgar is great. As Prot mentioned, he can easily be used as an aura buff/counter charge warlord and functions great. If you add a lieutenant you can fill the mandatory HQ slots and come away with a much cheaper Space Marine detachment. Guilliman's problem is his massive cost, as well as the fact you still need other HQs. Unfortunately following repeated cost increases as well as an escalating codex creep in other armies the Primarch is now over-priced, so Calgar is indeed worthwhile considering. He also excels if you run him alonside 9 Inceptors with Plasma. Drop in, shoot, re-roll, delete. Inceptors are hands down the best deep-striking unit Marines now have access to. You could also run a few units of Bolter Inceptors for thinning hordes. Don't waste points on Terminators - they lack the firepower and combat power their cost implies they should have. (Deathguard and Slaanesh Terminators are the real deal, however) Is there any non-causal player who will pick Slaanesh Teminators over Slaanesh Obliterators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5117380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Absolutely. They still have assault potential which Oblits don't. Depends on your list and what you need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5117390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Plasma Inceptors so underrated plus they can solo with SoG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348560-calgar-as-an-alternative-to-guilliman/#findComment-5117838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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