Death Grip on a unit you didn't charge?

[Diagramdude]

Death Grip says to "resolve an additional attack with that unit against a unit within 1" that consists of a single model"

 

Can a charging Knight use Death Grip against a unit that it didn't charge? Can you "resolve an additional attack" against a unit you can't target because you didn't charge it?

[Marshal Reinhard]

I see no reason why not.

 

EDIT: No you're right, RAW, it clearly forbids you from targeting units you didn't charge earlier in the charge phase. Even if other units managed to get within 1" of you after that, you're still limited resolve attacks against only targets you charged. Seems a bit like an oversight tbqh.

[Diagramdude]

Because a charging unit can only target units that it declared a charge against. Therefore the argument would be you cannot resolve an additional attack against a unit you didn't charge

[BluejayJunior]

I've seen a little bit of debate back and forth in this forum on the topic, with people supporting it both ways. 

My opinion is that no you cannot target something else, because there is nothing that over rules the only targeting charged units restriction. 

[Zogash]

Am I alone in thinking it's stupid that the "cannot attack anything you didn't declare during the charge" rule also forbids attacking a character that "heroically intervened" after the fact? There's literally nothing 'heroic' about waltzing into a round of combat with 0 risk to yourself, because, not having been the original target of the charge, you cannot be attacked. It's about the rule that annoys me the most in 8th. So ing stupid!

[Marshal Reinhard]

I've seen a little bit of debate back and forth in this forum on the topic, with people supporting it both ways. 

My opinion is that no you cannot target something else, because there is nothing that over rules the only targeting charged units restriction. 

 

What's the restriction on say declaring virtually all of the opposing army (well all the units within 12" inch of some target per the rules) as the targets of your charge, then when you do your charge move, as long as you end up within 1" of just one model of any of the target units, your charge is considered successful, and then with some additional moving during piling in and consolidate during the actual fight phase, you end up within 1" of an elligible target for death grip, that you can now use, since you ""charged it"" ?

Am I alone in thinking it's stupid that the "cannot attack anything you didn't declare during the charge" rule also forbids attacking a character that "heroically intervened" after the fact? There's literally nothing 'heroic' about waltzing into a round of combat with 0 risk to yourself, because, not having been the original target of the charge, you cannot be attacked. It's about the rule that annoys me the most in 8th. So ing stupid!

No, you're not alone, because I also do find it quite dumb.

 

EDIT: clarification and grammar

[Zogash]

 

I've seen a little bit of debate back and forth in this forum on the topic, with people supporting it both ways. 

My opinion is that no you cannot target something else, because there is nothing that over rules the only targeting charged units restriction. 

 

What's the restriction on say declaring virtually all of the opposing army the target of your charge, then when you do your charge move, as long as you end up within 1" of just one model of any target unit, your charge is considered successfull, and then with some additional moving during piling in and consolidate during the actual fight phase, you end up within 1" of an elligible target for death grip, that you can now use, since you ""charged it"" ?

 

 

Well, the restriction is that the declared target has to be 'within 12"', but other than that, I don't see any further caveats, i.e. nowhere does it say that I have to be able to reach that target with my movement range (say, a unit is within 12" but behind an obstacle that would require more than 12" of actual distance to clear). Every target you declare does get to overwatch, though, so I wouldn't go overboard with it...

[Marshal Reinhard]

Yes, I did realize the overwatch interjection to the above suggestion. But presumambly you could afford yourself to declare pesky characters as additional charge targets, causing them to think twice about HI-ing you (because this would in fact make them death grip bait). Overwatch fire in general is of course a limiting factor in the sensibility of the move. Otherwise it could perhaps function as something of a bandaid/plug to some pesky loopholes around things like HI abuse?

 

Though perhaps only something as durable as a knight may be able to afford risking additional OW fire just to ensure they're not HI-ed.

 

EDIT: Just not into grammar today it seems.

[jeffersonian000]

I for one am in the camp of being able to target any model the qualifies per the strat, regardless of declared charge. Strats are meant to break rules, not be limited by rules.

 

SJ

[Marshal Reinhard]

Well the RAW is abundandtly clear here, but I agree with you, it feels like an oversight. This weakness only appears if you've charged. If you didn't charge then it doesn't matter how the single model ended up next to you. You can squeeze it.

[BluejayJunior]

I for one am in the camp of being able to target any model the qualifies per the strat, regardless of declared charge. Strats are meant to break rules, not be limited by rules.

 

SJ

True, but stratagems specify what rules are being broken. You can't assumed another another rule is broken if the strat doesn't mention it. For instance, Descent of Angels allows me to roll 3d6 for charge distance (breaking the rule of 2d6), but I still can only declare charges against units that are within 12" even though I could reach up to 18", because the strat doesn't say I get to break that rule. 

[Stray]

Keep an eye on the tournament scene. There are lists doing well that feature a number of Gallants so death grip is bound to come up. You can bet that as normal, however things are ruled there will filter down and we'll end up with a consensus.