++DW & FW++ Ideas for tactics

[IMMANIS EXTERMINATUS]

Hiya,

 

I've been collecting WH40K models for a while, but it wasn't until the new DW codex came out that I feel like playing the game now. 

I like to think out of the box and the versatility of the DW is a strong pull (also if one considers that plenty of FW models are available to the chapter). After reading blog posts, watching youtube videos, etc., I'd like to run a couple of things by y'all:

1) Would it be possible to run 3 Termite Assault Drills with Vet Squads; Watch Master, Watch Captain, Librarian & Chaplain, whilst using the teleport stratagem to move dreadnoughts (1 Leviathan & 2 Chaplain Ven Dreadnoughts)  & just have CC show up (JP or TS)? 

It seems to me that Subterranean Assault and Deep Strike are different in the fact that  a SA unit can be placed near opponent on 1st round whereas DS is from 2nd round onwards? 

2) Is it feasible to add a Whirlwind Hyperion as part of the army and apply the Synaptic Severance Stratagem to it (as Deathwatch Unit); Stratagem doesn't specify what kind of unit (i. e. Infantry, Biker, etc.) it must be when shooting Synaptic Characters? Also, as it states CHARACTERS (meaning more than one) can a whirlwind Hyperion attack more than one Tyranid model that fits that description (Synaptic Character)?  

3) Do Flyers (Corvus, Fire Raptor, Storm Eagle, etc.) benefit from Doctrine Stratagems?  How about sentry turrets? 

 

4) Regarding allied detachments: Could I have an airwing detachment with units that are not of the same chapter? It is my understanding that as vehicles do not get chapter tactics (or mission tactics) and obviously no SIA....one can create an airwing detatchment can have a combination of any flyers from any chapter? 

Thanks in advance for your input. 

Cheers!

 

 

  

 

 

[Moostick]

General I am not an official GW rule lawyer.

 

1) The drill and the teleportanium strategem are all just different names for deepstrike. They all follow the same (beta) rules where you cannot go outside your deployment zone T1, so no on that. You'll still need at least half your PL on the field, so whether your listed units will fit will depend on your total list.

 

2) Yes, but keep in mind there is some contention to artillery and LOS with characters. Characters have a rule where you must have LOS and be the nearest enemy. Synaptic Severance Stratagem cancels the nearest enemy rule; it does not technically satisfy the LOS rule as nothing says the Whirlwind's LOS rule overrides the Character LOS rule. Your whirlwind most likely will not have LOS. I'm not saying either side is correct, but this has not been officially clarified as of yet, and people may fight you on it if you try to shoot a character without LOS on the Whirlwind.

 

Yes, the unit can target multiple characters as the strategem affects the unit itself for the phase, provided you have the ability to target multiple characters. The Hyperion would not as it can only fire once (unless you have HKM or SB). The Scorpius can if it splits its 2 volleys.

 

3) Yes, it states Deathwatch unit, and not a specific unit type.

 

4) No as of the latest beta rules. <Imperium> is no longer valid within the same detachment, so if you take multiple <Chapters> in a single detachment, you are no longer battleforged and lose all benefits associated with it for you entire army.

 

edit: To #2, yes, it can only target Tyranid characters that are synapse creatures (so no old one eye, etc.)

[IMMANIS EXTERMINATUS]

Hiya,

 

Thanks for your replies! However, the umbrella faction I was thinking for the airwing detachment would be Adeptus Astartes rather than Imperium. Hypothetically, I want to put together DA Nephilim Jetfighter, Xiphon Interceptor, Stormhawk Interceptor & Stormtalon. This is mainly 'cause I don't feel like having to field (buy, paint, etc.) 3 flyers of the same type, but I also wanna be able to adhere to rules if possible. 

[Moostick]

Yeah, I missed Adeptus Astartes being a keyword. That's perfectly legal then.

[Lemondish]

Hiya,

 

Thanks for your replies! However, the umbrella faction I was thinking for the airwing detachment would be Adeptus Astartes rather than Imperium. Hypothetically, I want to put together DA Nephilim Jetfighter, Xiphon Interceptor, Stormhawk Interceptor & Stormtalon. This is mainly 'cause I don't feel like having to field (buy, paint, etc.) 3 flyers of the same type, but I also wanna be able to adhere to rules if possible.

Why not make all of those flyers a Dark Angels detachment? You won't benefit from chapter tactics anyway on account of each unit being a vehicle, but it would grant you access to DA stratagems (though I don't think there are any worthwhile)...

[Zombs]

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1) Would it be possible to run 3 Termite Assault Drills with Vet Squads; Watch Master, Watch Captain, Librarian & Chaplain, whilst using the teleport stratagem to move dreadnoughts (1 Leviathan & 2 Chaplain Ven Dreadnoughts) & just have CC show up (JP or TS)?

 

It seems to me that Subterranean Assault and Deep Strike are different in the fact that a SA unit can be placed near opponent on 1st round whereas DS is from 2nd round onwards?

 

Cheers!

 

I've tried 1 termite drill with 2 kill team deepstriking with it and it worked wonders. I think 3 is a bit too much, also you need to have half your PL on the table first turn. Anyway give it a shot I think you will be surprised!

[IMMANIS EXTERMINATUS]

 

Hiya,

 

Thanks for your replies! However, the umbrella faction I was thinking for the airwing detachment would be Adeptus Astartes rather than Imperium. Hypothetically, I want to put together DA Nephilim Jetfighter, Xiphon Interceptor, Stormhawk Interceptor & Stormtalon. This is mainly 'cause I don't feel like having to field (buy, paint, etc.) 3 flyers of the same type, but I also wanna be able to adhere to rules if possible.

Why not make all of those flyers a Dark Angels detachment? You won't benefit from chapter tactics anyway on account of each unit being a vehicle, but it would grant you access to DA stratagems (though I don't think there are any worthwhile)...

 

It did cross my mind. However, it seems that neither the Stormhawk Interceptor nor the Stormtalon can be DA or Deathwatch. Stormraven can be DA but not Deathwatch. I don't think I would play anything more expensive than a Storm Eagle (which looking at its stats again.....would seem to be the best option as transport of the Vet Kill Teams in any combo excluding bikers). 

[IMMANIS EXTERMINATUS]

[quote name="IMMANIS EXTERMINATUS" post="5115132" timestamp=

 

1) Would it be possible to run 3 Termite Assault Drills with Vet Squads; Watch Master, Watch Captain, Librarian & Chaplain, whilst using the teleport stratagem to move dreadnoughts (1 Leviathan & 2 Chaplain Ven Dreadnoughts) & just have CC show up (JP or TS)?

 

It seems to me that Subterranean Assault and Deep Strike are different in the fact that a SA unit can be placed near opponent on 1st round whereas DS is from 2nd round onwards?

 

Cheers!

 

I've tried 1 termite drill with 2 kill team deepstriking with it and it worked wonders. I think 3 is a bit too much, also you need to have half your PL on the table first turn. Anyway give it a shot I think you will be surprised!

That's good to hear. I was contemplating the 3 TADs as a way to protect the troops if I didn't go first and to become a PITA  of my opponent by charging the drills towards valuable targets.