keeblerartillery Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Does anyone have any experience with them? What are your thoughts? I just came into a few, tried the land speeder javelin in a game (pretty underwhelmed) and am looking to see if I'm missing something. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykes Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 While I haven't used them much for my Angels, I rather attack bikes. But I've had to fight against them more than a few times. The Javelin was a menace in the hands of a Raven Guard player, and man I was stupid jealous of its ability to keep at range and take pop shots at my armour. As for scout bikes, it's the shotgun/twin bolter combination that makes them seem more or less in theory decent fire support for less than standard bikes (A sergeant can replace his pistol for another bolt gun, making an absolutely insane looking dual wielding shotgun/boltgun/twin boltgun raving lunatic firing 8 shots at close range). As for the speeders, standard speeders with two heavy bolters are a little points heavy but they're aggravating and can pull down remnants squads or seize objectives that are undefended with little fear. Basically, cheap, minimalist skirmish troops for marines is playing that bit of a tactical game. It's just another tool in the arsenal and one that's often overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Land speeders really suffer from the -1 To Hit for moving penalty. IMO, either go cheats as you can (single heavy bolter) and use them to zip around capping objectives or eating overwatch. Alternatively, use the Index build of 2x heavy flamers. Scout bikes are the most underrated unit in all of Power Armor-dom. The combo of speed + dakka you get for the price is incredible. One of the best units possible for Advancing up a flank to cap a far OBJ or harassing light units of Guardsmen, Cultists, etc... From a Blood Angels perspective, the point of comparison would be an Assault Marine Squad. Both of the above options are much more resilient, but ASM get more attacks (so better use of Red Thirst) and most importantly, with jump packs, can make use of On Wings of Fire. The OWoF angle can never be overlooked since that is a game-winning ability on its own. You can’t really go wrong with Scout Bikes, but you can go quite wrong with Land Speeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Land speeders are sadly a casualty of the edition. Speed feels meaningless if they suffer penalties to hit and so many weapons have advantages against FLY that they become an easy target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Yeah Heavy weapons on supposedly mobile vehicles is something GW didn't get quite right so far. At least not for Marines. The T'au Piranha for example has only Assault weapons so it could potentially even advance and shoot if you want to (it's still not a particularly good unit but that has other reasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Scout sergeants can, if you really want dakka, have the bike’s twin bolters, a shotgun and exchange his pistol for a combi (e.g. combi flamer) or storm bolter :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Landspeeders under perform as a mobile firepower unit compared to the new Primaris Inceptors who don't suffer -1 to Hit when moving, can fight in assault at a pinch and can use UWOF. Scout Bikers on the other hand look rather shiny. Scouts are a favourite of 8th Ed BA lists and Scout bikers have the same advantages but +1T and faster movement. Their only downside is not being Troops. But once you have your 3 or 6 Troop units then some Scouts Bikers are a very decent choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Landspeeders under perform as a mobile firepower unit compared to the new Primaris Inceptors who don't suffer -1 to Hit when moving, can fight in assault at a pinch and can use UWOF. Scout Bikers on the other hand look rather shiny. Scouts are a favourite of 8th Ed BA lists and Scout bikers have the same advantages but +1T and faster movement. Their only downside is not being Troops. But once you have your 3 or 6 Troop units then some Scouts Bikers are a very decent choice. "Scout" units are treasure in 8th, for board control and obj holding.Better resilience make better scout units. But the other statlines of these units...are not really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I think Scout bikes have a stratagem to cause mortal wounds either when they fall back or an enemy falls back from them (can't remember which). That adds even more options and utility to them even if it's not used often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeblerartillery Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 Thanks for the insights all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 to echo others, scout bikes are awesome in 8th, they can fire twin linked bolters and shotguns at close range for massed dakka. A unit of 9 puts out <12" 36 bolter shots 18 shotgun shots combi (if you take one) they also have blades, so all get +1A in combat and can fall back for d3 mortal wounds on the strategem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Don't forget/disregard The Landspeeder Storm!!! It's great for Blood angel scouts. Krash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaniss Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I have tried to make my Land Speeder work in 8th but it's just not happened. I haven't painted my LSS yet but I expect it to be decent as a delivery system, I'm not expecting much from it's Heavy Bolter :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I have been looking (and will be converting) into the land speeder Tempest (FW) T6 which helps a little. Can Advance for a 35" movement then be -1 to hit and only chargable by units with Fly key word. Against a load of troops you could basically zoom right up in front of them and they will struggle to remove it from the table Weapons arent bad either. Tactics are zoom it forward to grab an objective if required then if it survives shoot stuff 137 points isnt to bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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