Master Antaeus Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 So I play Soul Drinkers (founding legion completely unknown as of the 4th novel) which means I tend to try out different chapter tactics as suits my fancy or mood. That said, I was running them as Blood Angels using the Hammer of Baal the other day when one of my colleagues pointed out that if I was claiming to be a successor chapter to the Blood Angels, I could only use the Archangel's Shard. While true, none of my opponents ever make a stink about it, but that got me thinking: Do you have to paint your army a certain color to use a chapter's relic/tactics/characters? RAW, you clearly do, but how many of you would actually take issue with someone using a purple Lysander, or a blue Azrael? Let us assume for this example that they are fielding an army that has been faithfully converted with some thought gone into what became what. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 There are no hard rules anywhere in this game for paint jobs. There are absolutely no circumstances under which you "must" paint anything any specific color at all. If you want your Blood Angels to be purple, there is nothing in the rules to oppose you. The only relevant thing here is keywords. In order to use Blood Angels relics, you need [blood Angels] as your chapter keyword, not [soul Drinkers], [Knights of Blood], [sanguine Angels], or [RedBloodBloodVampireguys]. So from a strictly mechanical, list-building standpoint, you're sacrificing some flavor to conform to the rules. But again, it's all list-building. Nobody can challenge your army on basis of pigmentation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Purple Blood Angels would be tight.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 As stated, nobody else gets to decide how you paint your man-dollies, anyone who wants to has to show you the rule (hint there isn't one). Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exilyth Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 The ruling about successor chapter restrictions comes from errata for codex: space marines. As long as your <chapter> is blood angels, you're fine. If your <chapter> is some successor of blood angels, the limitations apply. This distinction is purely on your army list - just use blood angels as your <chapter> for that list. Outside of certain events which enforce chapter paint scheme = must use chapter rules (e.g. GW GTs at warhammer world), paint scheme doesn't matter. It is considered good sportsmanship to paint models from different <chapter>s in different colors and to explain which color is which chapter before the game though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I mean tangential aside but successor chapters (with Espacially w/ named characters and lesser extent in general) by raw do gain, two important buffs 1) They are not Warlord trait locked, bar those in C:SM and Flesh Tearers. A named SC chosen as Warlord can choose any of the 6 generic Warlord Traits 2) The also don’t come with them any of the baggage associated with the “Keyword” notably any unit restrictions. Best example of this is Black Templars & World Eaters whom have the No Pysker. The biggest example of this being a boon is NotTempestus Regiment who have an unilateral access to IG options. And in general most Successor Characters for C:SM specifically while losing special Relic Access. Retain access to all generic relics (Teeth, Armor, Wrath, Ascendent and Eternal). The first two are simply amazing and next three are just good. For either a backfielding, using an Ancient (3+ and Fearless), And for just keeping an important character alive. All I am saying lamenting the detriments to a successor chapter v the original. Is that successors do have some advantages over the original chapter; Warlord Trait being the main one mechanically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Depends how strictly your opponent wants to follow RAW, and if you want to make use of any Successor Special Characters. Being a Lamenters player, I've got a choice between either taking Malakim Phoros, which locks me in to having Lamenters as my Chapter, or being yellow Blood Angels, at which point I get all the relics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Antaeus Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 I'll take the relics, thanks. Now here's a conundrum: Can I take, for example, Tyberos with blood angels? A better example would be Zrukhal Androcles as the Star Phantoms' lineage is unknown. Could he be taken with Dark Angels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Can I take, for example, Tyberos with blood angels? A better example would be Zrukhal Androcles as the Star Phantoms' lineage is unknown. Could he be taken with Dark Angels? AFAIK FW said to pick the most fitting chapter tactic from C:SM. RAW that excludes C:BA and C:DA etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5125616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Tyberos belongs to a Raven Guard successor chapter. You can't take in BA or DA exclusive units if you run him as he's a supplemental unit to the vanilla codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5126210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Too bad you can’t Battle Forge two different detachments or Marines: one Imperium and one Chaos. Would make perfect Soul Drinkers make up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5126620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Too bad you can’t Battle Forge two different detachments or Marines: one Imperium and one Chaos. Would make perfect Soul Drinkers make up. There are loyalist Khorne Berserkers (death company) loyalist Ksons (legion of the damned) loyalist possessed (Wulfen). Space wolves are Chaos Lite with more characters and options. I think they even can get Bolter bolt pistols and chainswords on their grey hunters. Wolf guard are loyalist chosen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5126667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Lol, Space Wolves do indeed have similarities with Chaos in the way they play. I can't wait to see what their Codex brings. A giant Daemon called Russ? Or a wise commander called Russ? Who knows! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348935-successor-chapters-and-you/#findComment-5126701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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