Dragolord19d Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I’ve been thinking about starting a new IG army to go with my Raptors Chapter space marines and found some awesome drop trooper alternatives on Puppetswar. My question is does my non-Elysian troopers have to use the Elysian special rules or will I be able to take tanks etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 It depends how you decide to run them. If you want to play as drop troops you would need to use the Elysian list and all it's restrictions. You could play them as stormtroopers though and take a separate detachment of auxiliaries if you want to use tanks/not use the FW book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5140084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 If you want Drop Troops you have two choices. Elysians, or StormTroopers. Elysians are 5ppm (standard infantry are 4ppm) and storm troopers are 10ppm. Stormies have a 4+ Sv, hotshots, BS3+, and can take 2 SW per 5 guys. Elysians have a 5+ Sv, BS4+, and can take one SW and one breacher charge. I'm a die hard Stormie guy, and as far as the troops choice goes Stormies have it. Elysian vets are better than Codex vets, but still not worth it in my mind as they're not a contestable unit. GW forgot to make Stormies bad this Edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5140281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 You can field tanks just have to take a different detachment. Standard codex go with Stormtroopers which then you can field tanks no problem. If you want to go the Forgeworld Index route go Elysians. Elysians cannot take tanks at all period you would have to take a separate detachment from another Guard force. Elysian list are extremely powerful non match play. In fact it may be the most broken way to play guard. Deep striking 100 infantry/special weapon teams/command squads with plasma guns 9" away from your opponents lines is nothing to sneeze at. What models are you looking at? Krash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5140297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doof Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 If you want Drop Troops you have two choices. Elysians, or StormTroopers. Elysians are 5ppm (standard infantry are 4ppm) and storm troopers are 10ppm. Stormies have a 4+ Sv, hotshots, BS3+, and can take 2 SW per 5 guys. Elysians have a 5+ Sv, BS4+, and can take one SW and one breacher charge. I'm a die hard Stormie guy, and as far as the troops choice goes Stormies have it. Elysian vets are better than Codex vets, but still not worth it in my mind as they're not a contestable unit. GW forgot to make Stormies bad this Edition. Storm Troopers are 9PPM, + 1 point for hotshot lasgun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5140472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragolord19d Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 What models are you looking at? Krash I’m looking at Puppetswar’s elite troopers https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=773 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5140513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 If you want Drop Troops you have two choices. Elysians, or StormTroopers. Elysians are 5ppm (standard infantry are 4ppm) and storm troopers are 10ppm. Stormies have a 4+ Sv, hotshots, BS3+, and can take 2 SW per 5 guys. Elysians have a 5+ Sv, BS4+, and can take one SW and one breacher charge. I'm a die hard Stormie guy, and as far as the troops choice goes Stormies have it. Elysian vets are better than Codex vets, but still not worth it in my mind as they're not a contestable unit. GW forgot to make Stormies bad this Edition. Elysian special weapon squads are 5ppm and can take 3 special weapons per 6 guys. Elysian Veterans are 7ppm, Sv is still 5+, but BS 4+ and can take 3 special weapons plus heavy flamer and breacher charge per 10 guys. As a bonus a sarge can take something too. The rest of the squad may have shotguns for free. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5140617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooftak Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Wow those puppetwar minis look awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5141193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nemesis- Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I would run those as Stormtroopers. You could use Carskin as command squads, they look pretty close. Lovely stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5141295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 If you want Drop Troops you have two choices. Elysians, or StormTroopers. Elysians are 5ppm (standard infantry are 4ppm) and storm troopers are 10ppm. Stormies have a 4+ Sv, hotshots, BS3+, and can take 2 SW per 5 guys. Elysians have a 5+ Sv, BS4+, and can take one SW and one breacher charge. I'm a die hard Stormie guy, and as far as the troops choice goes Stormies have it. Elysian vets are better than Codex vets, but still not worth it in my mind as they're not a contestable unit. GW forgot to make Stormies bad this Edition. Elysian special weapon squads are 5ppm and can take 3 special weapons per 6 guys. Elysian Veterans are 7ppm, Sv is still 5+, but BS 4+ and can take 3 special weapons plus heavy flamer and breacher charge per 10 guys. As a bonus a sarge can take something too. The rest of the squad may have shotguns for free. Elysian Sergeants also have access to the Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, which is the normal 5pt Guard Grenade Launcher, for free on their sergeants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5141730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Oh man! Just noticed that. BS of vets is 3+of course. And where exactly is AGL mentioned? Thought it was lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5142077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Imperial Armour FAQ, you can give it to anyone who can take from the Ranged Weapon Table, which unfortunatly Imperial Armor took away from normal Sergeants, though Veterans and Officers can spam the things. Page 120 – Elysian Drop Troops Wargear Add a new table titled ‘Elysian Drop Troops Other Wargear’ with the following entry: ‘ Auxiliary Grenade Launcher | A model with an auxiliary grenade launcher increases the range of any frag grenades and krak grenades they use to 24".’ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5142250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Thanks a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5143850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30n1d4s Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Quick question, can you replace <Regiment> key word with <Militarum Tempestus> on things like Astra Militarum vehicles, FW models that have the <Regiment> key word, etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5145054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 No, the codex states <Militarum Tempestus> can't replace <Regiment> I know it doesn't say it in the FW index but the intent is clear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5145074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntpencil Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Protip: Use Mordians with Valkyries and Vendettas as Drop Troops. Mordian Command Squads and Special Weapons Squads, packing Plasma, with Officers giving out their 'Form Firing Squad!' Order can wipe every enemy character off the board quick smart. Sure, they might die in the process, but that's their job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349425-a-question-about-drop-troopers/#findComment-5149262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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