b1soul Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Anyone care to speculate or wishlist? What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 When Russ left Terra during Wolfsbane, didn't he take all of the remaining Vylka Fenryka with him? As I read it the only wolves not to join Russ on his assault on the Vengeful Spirit were those who were defending the Aett and those who couldn't answer his summons to Terra. Those that survived the assassination attempt on Horus were then chased down by Abaddon to Yarrant whilst the remainder of the traitor fleet made for Beta Garmon and onwards to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5145459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDarth151 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I am pretty sure there is a one or two sentences in Wolfsbane on the pack send to watch Rogal being recalled. I distinctly remember it being a thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5145489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagashnee Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5145581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Anyone care to speculate or wishlist? What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point? They'll show up. I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there. Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it. As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5145659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Anyone care to speculate or wishlist? What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point? They'll show up. I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there. Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it. As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful. On a semi related note. Are we going to see Zephon finally reuniting with his legion? And just how...permanent are the fixes Arkhan made for him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5145722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDarth151 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 On a semi related note. Are we going to see Zephon finally reuniting with his legion? And just how...permanent are the fixes Arkhan made for him? I will make cynical prediction that they will fail just in time for him to be killed by one of the Chaos characters for the sake of Grimdarking the story. You see, Blood Angels managed to make through Heresy relatively untouched, so we will need to kill a lot of them to make up for the lost time, and Zephon is relatively unimportant character that audience feels emotional connection to. Perfect target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5145749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 A D-B "They'll show up." Excellent. I'm not even a fan of their primarch or legion, but I do think they'd be very interesting supporting characters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 A D-B..... fifty Seige books You say there won't be, but I could see it.... you scare me brother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagashnee Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there. Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it. The same way the first 50 books did? You will forgive me if i dont hold my breath. Best case BL pull out a win and everyone gets their cake and eats it too, but no one ever says prepare for the best and expect the worst do they? I mean dont get me wrong, between BL and FW we should get enough solid material to make sure everyone is placated, but i fully our fair share of battle for the abyss's and badly thought out retcons in the siege arc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarvek Val Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since. And I was having a lovely night until y'all brought that travesty up... But with regards to 'Howl of the Hearthworld', I want to see them in their element, doing what they were born and tasked to do by none other than Leman Russ himself - protecting the Imperium by rooting out treachery. I would love to see them in the midst of the siege, hunting down enemy commanders and high priority targets. I think a glorious last stand would be an underwhelming and undeserved end for the pack, especially as I feel that they have so much more depth that can be explored as the Siege enters its final stages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 They would make excellent agents of Malcador, especially with the respect Russ showed to him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since. Fear to Tread was worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since. Fear to Tread was worse. I think not. The worst, is anything Raven Guard, and/or, the entire Vulkan (Lives!) arc. All of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Anyone care to speculate or wishlist? What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point? They'll show up. I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there. Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it. As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful. ALL 50 OF THOSE BOOKS BETTER BE ABOUT SIGISMUND BEING UNLEASHED, DO YOU HEAR ME?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Anyone care to speculate or wishlist? What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point? They'll show up. I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there. Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it. As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful. ALL 50 OF THOSE BOOKS BETTER BE ABOUT SIGISMUND BEING UNLEASHED, DO YOU HEAR ME?! ...I'd buy that series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I agree that i'd prefer to see most of the siege arc main characters be from those that haven't had their day in the sun, but i would quite like to see one of the traitor viewpoints we get be from one of the Shattered Legions or Sagyar Mazan that ended up throwing in their lot with Horus. Hard to believe 100% of the WS that wanted to declare for Horus would have gone entirely along with the suicide attacks as redemption thing. Traitor Iron Hands have been hinted at a few times and could make for an interesting supporting character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Scars makes it clear that in all likelihood, some WS Horus-sympathisers scurried off to join the Traitors Some took their own lives rather than endure the shame of surrender, though most recognised the authority of the Khagan and offered up their blades in contrition. A few smaller vessels never made it to the muster, either destroyed by the Death Guard during the engagement or disappearing quietly, presumed unwilling to accept the rejection of their planned accord with the Warmaster. The seeds planted by the lodges were set deep, and not all of their growths were capable of being uprooted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I do think we definitely need to see some stories of the viewpoint of "traitor loyalists", given that we've had a few stories now about "loyal traitors". I much prefer this idea of the Legions not entirely being unanimous in their decisions of loyalty, but that there were fringe groups in all that went a different direction to the bulk of their Legion. Give us some stories about pro-Horus Raven Guard, or Iron Hands that went rogue with the death of their Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJF Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since. Except Fear to tread, Damnation of Pythos, Vulkan lives and everything that came out after Unremembered empire of course As for the watch pack they joined Russ for the assault on Horus, don't remember if they survived or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since. Except Fear to tread, Damnation of Pythos, Vulkan lives and everything that came out after Unremembered empire of course As for the watch pack they joined Russ for the assault on Horus, don't remember if they survived or not. No? Conservatively: Scars, Path of Heaven, Praetorian of Dorn, Master of Mankind, Tallarn and Slaves to Darkness, all out after Unremembered Empire, all easily miles better than Battle for the Abyss (and Unremembered Empire for that matter). Like, this doesn't seem controversial to me at all. Fear to Tread, Damnation of Pythos and the Salamander books might be dull and poorly written but they're not outright disposable bolter-porn like Battle for the Abyss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Fear to Tread was worse. I think not. The worst, is anything Raven Guard, and/or, the entire Vulkan (Lives!) arc. All of it. Now that's the funny thing, I quite enjoyed Gav's Raven Guard books. Not the best in the series by any stretch but far from the worst. I think I would rate Deliverance Lost above Fear to Tread (and I say that as a Blood Angels fan and player of 25 years). DL was interesting but FTT was just a joyless slog. Maybe I don't like Swallow's writing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Yes, Fear to Tread was an absolute chore...I tried Nemesis before and couldn't finish. I put my faith in the shill review linked below before getting Fear to Tread. http://thefoundingfields.com/2012/08/fear-to-tread-shadowhawk/ Was absolutely suckered... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5146742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Shift Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 As long as the imperial fists get lots of opportunity to be awesome, I will be happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349613-role-of-howl-of-the-hearthworld-at-the-siege/#findComment-5147026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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