b1soul Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Based on Inferno... 3,000 whisked off to the Planet of the Sorcerers Two contingents of 5,000 and "several thousand" away from Prospero were not eliminated by Imperial forces like a number of other contingents away from Prospero...so survived Another group commandeered three non-Warp-capable Censure Host ships and made a run for it. One ship was destroyed. Other two hid and the Imperials eventually left...reason given for not expending more resources on search and destroy was that the ships were not Warp capable (eh?) Passage in Inferno comments how it is very odd that there were 10,000 plus TSons at the Siege...rather nonsensical comment considering the sum of the numbers above To me, it seems at least 10k TSons survived the legion's censure, no? Why is it odd that 10k plus sons show up at the Siege? Side-question... Post-Rubric, are TSons able to create non-Rubric TSon neophytes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Well Inferno specifically plays silly with the numbers. Did 3000 escape with Magnus (page 62), or merely 1000 (page 115 and ATS)? However, if we take the numbers in Inferno as gospel, then numbers post Prospero are probably 11k max, and that's being generous (3k from Prospero, which imo is on the high side, 5k of the 4th Fellowship and 3k on Zho-Arkadd (garrison noted as being small in the Xestiobiax fluff, 3k to still fit with the 'perhaps several thousand' on page 65)). These are the only 'main' detachments that survived, and as a force only 300 strong was worth noting as being eliminated, it seems reasonable to approximate this as all the XV left. But did they all meet up with Magnus? Did they escape any form of attrition for the entire 7 year Heresy? It's certainly conceivable they were listed by Imperial records as 'Blackshield', 'lost' or whatever, so not counted towards the XV Legion manpower. Now, the idea that the Sons couldn't have recruited a fair number of fresh dudes in that 7 years seems a bit off to me (although they might have struggled, as Magnus doesn't seem to have been in a fit state to provide biological samples to boost production), the assumption seems to be that they shouldn't have been able to recover that much, that fast (implying some level of warp shenanigans), which is potentially accurate, given the slow growth of the XV under GC, ideal conditions. But the real cause of alarm/shock seems to be that there were any. Inferno states that the wider Imperium believed the XV was wiped out (page 65) after Prospero, only to be disabused of that notion at Terra. Side Question? Don't know. I'd assume not though, as the Rubrics obviously lack gene-seed, and the remaining sorcerers (assuming they even still have their progenoids) are probably too mutated and warped to get stable, implantable gene-seed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5149947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 I thought the shock was how 10,000 showed up at the Siege (a "demi-legion"), as opposed to significantly lower number Though the off-Prospero contingents may have been unknown to the Imperials (unlikely though...if the Imperials scrutinised their data records) EDIT: I don't think Inferno plays silly with the numbers...it's a more a retcon in line with later legion numbers. IIRC, A Thousand Sons has the entire TSon legion at 10k marines. Those are old figures before the 100k avg. legion size was introruced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5150006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I thought the shock was how 10,000 showed up at the Siege (a "demi-legion"), as opposed to significantly lower number Though the off-Prospero contingents may have been unknown to the Imperials (unlikely though...if the Imperials scrutinised their data records) EDIT: I don't think Inferno plays silly with the numbers...it's a more a retcon in line with later legion numbers. IIRC, A Thousand Sons has the entire TSon legion at 10k marines. Those are old figures before the 100k avg. legion size was introruced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5153639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 8,000. It is unveiled very clearly in one of the later books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5155285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Which book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5155310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Slaves to Darkness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5155715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5155938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Pleasure! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349738-tson-numbers-after-the-razing/#findComment-5156466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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