Gorgoff Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 You are of course correct. For that land speeder from FW. THAT land speeder from else where far less so. What I meant was that this perticular Speeder is only for special tastes. ;) Ouh I had an idea the other day. Is it possible that FW raises the prices to squeeze all possible money out of the customers before 3D printers spread? I mean lets face it. Huge models are no problem at all for the better models already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProsperoStands Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Honestly I could see that. 3d Printers are getting cheaper, better, faster, and more cost effective. I have played with people using 3d printed rhinos that you can not tell the difference, and I have seen 3d printer flyers that way as well. But yeah I know I don't HAVE to use the javelin but it is so much better then a normal one in every way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Honestly I could see that. 3d Printers are getting cheaper, better, faster, and more cost effective. I have played with people using 3d printed rhinos that you can not tell the difference, and I have seen 3d printer flyers that way as well. But yeah I know I don't HAVE to use the javelin but it is so much better then a normal one in every way. You where talking about the Javelin? Ok, now I see. Thought you talk about that new Land Speeder which looks like a flying rollercoster. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Honestly I could see that. 3d Printers are getting cheaper, better, faster, and more cost effective. I have played with people using 3d printed rhinos that you can not tell the difference, and I have seen 3d printer flyers that way as well. But yeah I know I don't HAVE to use the javelin but it is so much better then a normal one in every way. You where talking about the Javelin? Ok, now I see. Thought you talk about that new Land Speeder which looks like a flying rollercoster. That LS is just a nostalgic piec for lovers of RT models Javelin is nice bu i don't understand why FW still have to do the best LS ever so this one http://gravengames.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/LS1-Pre-heresy-Land-Speeder-Conversion.gifhttp://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/blood-angel-land-speeder.jpg Well nevermind, I own both versions of this amazing model and with the prices of FW i will never buy a new one from them #boycottFW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I recently bought two DKK vanquisher LR's kits from FW and I gotta say after comparing the price for a regular leman russ with the FW kit i'm a bit sticker shocked that a few resin parts and a complete lack of construction manual for the plastic kit that the resin bits replace, it's hard for me to justify shopping with FW. I mean is the material and labor really adding THAT much over GW's? btw a leman russ is $50 vs $100 DKK leman russ and that's not even considering bundles like start collecting and such. So i'm of the notion that FW is going to keep shrinking it's non specialist product offerings and that HH is going to have a rough couple of years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I recently bought two DKK vanquisher LR's kits from FW and I gotta say after comparing the price for a regular leman russ with the FW kit i'm a bit sticker shocked that a few resin parts and a complete lack of construction manual for the plastic kit that the resin bits replace, it's hard for me to justify shopping with FW. I mean is the material and labor really adding THAT much over GW's? btw a leman russ is $50 vs $100 DKK leman russ and that's not even considering bundles like start collecting and such. So i'm of the notion that FW is going to keep shrinking it's non specialist product offerings and that HH is going to have a rough couple of years. I guess the biggest problem FW gonna face in the coming year is that most people started to re-evaluate their product.I mean their miniatures where always horrible overcosted but that steep raise made most of us think about it. Let's face it: self-deception is very strong in the nerd community and rubbing the fact that they pay a LOT of money for little toys in their faces may lead them to explore other sources of material. Not necessarily recasters but other companies like puppetswar could profit from it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I recently bought two DKK vanquisher LR's kits from FW and I gotta say after comparing the price for a regular leman russ with the FW kit i'm a bit sticker shocked that a few resin parts and a complete lack of construction manual for the plastic kit that the resin bits replace, it's hard for me to justify shopping with FW. I mean is the material and labor really adding THAT much over GW's? btw a leman russ is $50 vs $100 DKK leman russ and that's not even considering bundles like start collecting and such. So i'm of the notion that FW is going to keep shrinking it's non specialist product offerings and that HH is going to have a rough couple of years. I guess the biggest problem FW gonna face in the coming year is that most people started to re-evaluate their product.I mean their miniatures where always horrible overcosted but that steep raise made most of us think about it. Let's face it: self-deception is very strong in the nerd community and rubbing the fact that they pay a LOT of money for little toys in their faces may lead them to explore other sources of material. Not necessarily recasters but other companies like puppetswar could profit from it. YesI am starting to buy from Kromlech that makes excellent stuff ;) And i tried also parts from maxmini and anvil and they are both really good ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I recently bought two DKK vanquisher LR's kits from FW and I gotta say after comparing the price for a regular leman russ with the FW kit i'm a bit sticker shocked that a few resin parts and a complete lack of construction manual for the plastic kit that the resin bits replace, it's hard for me to justify shopping with FW. I mean is the material and labor really adding THAT much over GW's? btw a leman russ is $50 vs $100 DKK leman russ and that's not even considering bundles like start collecting and such. So i'm of the notion that FW is going to keep shrinking it's non specialist product offerings and that HH is going to have a rough couple of years. I guess the biggest problem FW gonna face in the coming year is that most people started to re-evaluate their product.I mean their miniatures where always horrible overcosted but that steep raise made most of us think about it. Let's face it: self-deception is very strong in the nerd community and rubbing the fact that they pay a LOT of money for little toys in their faces may lead them to explore other sources of material. Not necessarily recasters but other companies like puppetswar could profit from it. YesI am starting to buy from Kromlech that makes eccellente stuff ;) Great MKII legs for bikers. :)Bought them years ago. Never painted them though: https://www.shapeways.com/product/JFUWPEGWQ/10x-iron-heads-naxos-combat-shields?optionId=65237667 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Yup, while I haven't really put them to use yet, the "recent" kromlech helmets are really nice, and some of them really look like some of the old HH illustrations. And if I ever get to do bikes or jetbikes, I'm definitely getting their legs to make MkII riders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Returning to the topic, since I got all my resin from china the price increase doesn't affect me. However the lack of people playing 7th at the local GW does. Already sold all official primarchs and their armies, however I keep some playable in 8th FW vehicles for their rareness. Just this year I got a telemon for 30€, one month and it was home in an excellent package. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5165814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Check this out: after the price hike was revealed, so many new people flooded the recaster subreddits asking for information that they locked the boards and made them invite only. GW is pricing themselves out of their own market. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Wait, there are boards dedicated to recasters? I thought those things, while kinda vox populi, had to be kept low key to avoid attracting attention from GW/FW. And while I did buy once from recasters, I doubt I will do it again, I'd rather either find 2nd hand deals or search adequate 3rd party bits, with the occasional in-home casting with insta-mold for rare pieces. A good few of the pieces I bought back then are still to be built, and the fact that most of them need quite a bit of filing and resculpting work does not help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I guess now that this article was ironic, the 30k version of Regimental Standard https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/08/the-futures-bright-for-the-age-of-darkness/ :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Wait, there are boards dedicated to recasters? I thought those things, while kinda vox populi, had to be kept low key to avoid attracting attention from GW/FW. And while I did buy once from recasters, I doubt I will do it again, I'd rather either find 2nd hand deals or search adequate 3rd party bits, with the occasional in-home casting with insta-mold for rare pieces. A good few of the pieces I bought back then are still to be built, and the fact that most of them need quite a bit of filing and resculpting work does not help. im the same, ive ordered recast stuff and im not a fan, but when im after stuff that GW no longer makes that is still in demand i cant justify the scalping price. Like £80 for a mkIV FW dread with out arms? yeah in high Gothic we say "Get Bent" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Yeah, that is a bit different for me. I can accept paying a bit higher for OoP products than their real value (I've gotten some 2nd edition landspeeders for about 25-35 euros each), but I'm not willing to pay double/triple price for things just because some people are greedy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Yeah, that is a bit different for me. I can accept paying a bit higher for OoP products than their real value (I've gotten some 2nd edition landspeeders for about 25-35 euros each), but I'm not willing to pay double/triple price for things just because some people are greedy. Id love to pick up some of the older LS posted above but really cant be fussed working on lead/WM in that size. I kinda wish a recaster did them just for the resin ease :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I'll let you know when I get to paint them, currently have one built and primed, although I don't think I'll get to it un the near future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 There are really high quality recasters and others that are notably poor. There's a large market of them and it's just going to keep growing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProsperoStands Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 It call comes down to price really. The cheapest ones tend to give you a hit or miss experience but you accept that going in when you pay 1/4th the cost. A little green stiff goes a long way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5166847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I've never had problems with my dealer, he/she/it even gave me a free fulgrim head when the first one came with a broken nose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5167182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 A big issue with recasts that no-one acknowledges is that it drastically decreases the value of the armies of those of use who only buy legit fw. I tried to sell my original Ixion Hale who I had already opened but in the end never built and it was impossible since too many people doubted its authenticity. Unless we start keeping receipts it will be tough to sell armies once we're done with them thanks to recasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5167350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 A big issue with recasts that no-one acknowledges is that it drastically decreases the value of the armies of those of use who only buy legit fw. I tried to sell my original Ixion Hale who I had already opened but in the end never built and it was impossible since too many people doubted its authenticity. Unless we start keeping receipts it will be tough to sell armies once we're done with them thanks to recasts. Keeping your receipts is pretty easy with online orders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5167378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Well, I hate to say it, but you can blame nobody else except GW. They have priced so many people out of the market, as you see, people don't event want to buy your legit models. Recasting is a big business due to the margins and GW looses a lot of money to the 'piracy'. Until they find a way to make the game more affordable it's just going to get worse. The recent 30% price hike especially so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5167417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droz_64 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Kind of related question because we're talking about the price increase - Instead of dropping $90 on an Aurox, would using a Chimera be reasonable? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5167420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Kind of related question because we're talking about the price increase - Instead of dropping $90 on an Aurox, would using a Chimera be reasonable? Kind of related question because we're talking about the price increase - Instead of dropping $90 on an Aurox, would using a Chimera be reasonable?Depends on your opponent.Generally my rule is do whatever as long as it doesn’t break my immersion, and using a Chimera as an Aurox would be pushing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/349982-how-much-will-the-price-increase-affect-the-heresy/page/5/#findComment-5167447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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