Official no Space Wolves Long fang box

[Vash113]

I think you're operating off of an assumption that's been widely accepted as fact by the community here at B&C. When it comes to units that have rules (i.e. the iron priest example) I can say it does appear GW is cracking down on certain options. I have always thought and still believe it's a balance thing and not a kitbashing issue. I don't think GW specifically has an issue with hobbyist making their own models as opposed to using the ones GW produces. Just considered all the WH Community pages where they feature heavily modified (personalized) armies all left up to the hobbyist interpretation.. How many times has GW told us to use FW to customize certain models? Everything I've seen shows GW is definitely pro-creativity. 

 

Just because Space Wolves have Grey Hunters and not Tactical Marines or Long Fangs and not Devastators doesn't mean they are not all Space Marines at their core. You don't have to have furry aesthetics in order to be part of a Space Wolves army.. What I'm trying to say is you don't need any kitbashing at all in order to paint a unit of Devastators to match your Space Wolves force and call them Long Fangs. Essentially we're not creating units for which their is a lacking model (going back to your argument of there being no rules for units with no models) we are just customizing existing Marines to better match the aesthetic of a chapter. 

 

Long Fangs can be purchased, they are devastators. If you wish to make them more wulfy... get a GH Pack as well. 

 

Again you are missing the point. This is not about GW being against conversions or kitbashing in general, however from a marketing standpoint the company has been working hard to make sure every option in a book is represented by an individual product on the website or in the store. If we want to kitbash to our hearts content that is entirely fine, but GW wants to make sure that a noobie to the hobby can go online, type in any unit and get a product to purchase. A noob does not know that a Devastator box is just fine to use for Long Fangs, they just don't, and so there should be a product on the webstore that says "Long Fangs" even if it is nothing more than a basic Devastator box painted in Space Wolves colors. We have seen that kind of thing before, so the absence of a dedicated product is, as I have said before, odd.

[Yoyo ninja]

It's not unprecedented though, in our own range we don't have a Wolf Priest model outside of Ulrik. And the codex options have been made to line up with the rest of the marine range (namely the power fisted interrogator-chaplain of the dress wearing angels), meaning we have to kit bash stuff anyway (Which I will be doing at some point, that model looks amazing).

 

I see what your saying Vash, to a noob it might be hard to work out what you need, but there are always places to ask, even if it's forums on the interwebs.

 

Edit= phone did brain fart

[Mutanthybrid]

An interesting thing to note is that there's is not a single photo of a long fang model in the new codex.

I could be wrong if they were in the background and slightly blurred out but there are definitely none front and centre in any photos. This does make it difficult for someone just getting into the hobby to know what to buy if they wanted to use these.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

It's not unprecedented though, in our own range we don't have a Wolf Priest model outside of Ulrik. And the codex options have been made to line up with the rest of the marine range (namely the power fisted interrogator-chaplain of the dress wearing angels), meaning we have to kit bash stuff anyway (Which I will be doing at some point, that model looks amazing).

 

I may be missing something, but I don't think that's a necessary kit bash example. There's a vanilla chaplain with power fist model available so there'd be no more need to kitbash that than there would be for any other chaplain.

[thymidine]

 

 

It's not unprecedented though, in our own range we don't have a Wolf Priest model outside of Ulrik. And the codex options have been made to line up with the rest of the marine range (namely the power fisted interrogator-chaplain of the dress wearing angels), meaning we have to kit bash stuff anyway (Which I will be doing at some point, that model looks amazing).

I may be missing something, but I don't think that's a necessary kit bash example. There's a vanilla chaplain with power fist model available so there'd be no more need to kitbash that than there would be for any other chaplain.

Oops - ignore

[Gherrick]

 

It's not unprecedented though, in our own range we don't have a Wolf Priest model outside of Ulrik. And the codex options have been made to line up with the rest of the marine range (namely the power fisted interrogator-chaplain of the dress wearing angels), meaning we have to kit bash stuff anyway (Which I will be doing at some point, that model looks amazing).

 

I may be missing something, but I don't think that's a necessary kit bash example. There's a vanilla chaplain with power fist model available so there'd be no more need to kitbash that than there would be for any other chaplain.

 

Except that we have no wolf skull helm for our wolf priests in any of our kits. Had they even included one on any of the upgrade sprues, I'd be more inclined to take the chaplain as a base model.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

 

Again you are missing the point. This is not about GW being against conversions or kitbashing in general, however from a marketing standpoint the company has been working hard to make sure every option in a book is represented by an individual product on the website or in the store. If we want to kitbash to our hearts content that is entirely fine, but GW wants to make sure that a noobie to the hobby can go online, type in any unit and get a product to purchase. A noob does not know that a Devastator box is just fine to use for Long Fangs, they just don't, and so there should be a product on the webstore that says "Long Fangs" even if it is nothing more than a basic Devastator box painted in Space Wolves colors. We have seen that kind of thing before, so the absence of a dedicated product is, as I have said before, odd.

 

 

That is nothing but your assumption and you know it. GW has never came out and stated such... and saying there "should" be a product on their webpage is just your opinion. You should state that instead of trying to make it seem like fact.

What about Black Templars? Does a box set exist to make crusader squads with? No. What are the poor BT noobies supposed to do, not know how to buy anything right? 

 

Riddle me this batman, why is it that GW decided to allow Wolf Lords, Rune Priests, WGBLs, and Wolf Priests to have the option to take Jump Packs if "noobie" can't go online and type those specific units into the search bar and find them on the Games-Workshop website? Enough with the smoke blowing. 

An interesting thing to note is that there's is not a single photo of a long fang model in the new codex.

I could be wrong if they were in the background and slightly blurred out but there are definitely none front and centre in any photos. This does make it difficult for someone just getting into the hobby to know what to buy if they wanted to use these.

 

Have you read your codex yet? There are 3 images with Long Fang models in there. 

[Mutanthybrid]

I've looked again and still only see one of them blurred in the background of the photo with necrons.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

I've looked again and still only see one of them blurred in the background of the photo with necrons.

 

Assuming the page numbers are the same between the hardback codex and the enchanced ibook: 123, 143, 247. I sincerely hope there is no assertion that because Long Fangs are only seen blurry and in the background that it is a sign that GW will be ending the unit, that would be completely ridiculous. Consider how different and unique (better) Long Fangs are in their rules when compared to Devastators... Long Fangs are a key Space Wolves unit and are not going anywhere. 

 

I didn't see a single image of a Vindicator anywhere in the Codex, I guess that should mean that SWs aren't going to have access to them in the future? 

 

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Guys, the only reason the box set is no longer available is because GW ran out of the old style Devastator sprue and has not decided to produce a new box set with the updated Devastator sprue. Any further speculation or conjecture is so silly and only adds to the "sky is falling/fear mongering" I've already posted about. They spent the effort before to do it in order to sell off kit that they would not have sold off otherwise (because who wants to buy old models when new better models are out), and Space Wolves are the only army they could have done that with because we're the only ones with unique devastators.

 

 

[jerrys]

I call down exterminatus on this thread.

[Mutanthybrid]

No Im not saying they'd get rid of long fangs just that it makes it difficult for newcomers to know what to buy to represent these since as it is stated GW have taken them down off of the website. Could maybe have used a nice photo with them printed front and centre in it showing them on all their glory.

I will have to have another scan through the codex though and try find those pages.

 

EDIT: I have the standard codex so those page number don't tally up to it. There's only 144 pages. I guess the collectors editions and such have some different photos and perhaps they were simply cut from the basic edition codex

[Stoic Raptor]

Oh, come on, now.  Newcomers figure these things out just fine on their own.  Anyone who doesn't understand that Long Fangs are just Space Wolf Devastators probably shouldn't be trusted with stuff with sharp corners... like dice. 

 

They even compare Long Fangs to a "conventional Devastator squad" and refer to the "heaviest of weaponry" in their background section on page 46 in the Codex.

 

I see a Long Fang pack clearly enough on page 132 in the Code. If being blurry is an issue, I recommend reading up on depth of field and how a camera focuses.  Of course they are going to be in the back of the picture.

 

I think this is much ado about nothing.  Anyone who's that green should probably be seeking advice of other players or online before concluding that an entry in the brand new Codex can't be used because there is no kit.  Come on, seriously... give me a break.

[Mutanthybrid]

Oh, come on, now. Newcomers figure these things out just fine on their own. Anyone who doesn't understand that Long Fangs are just Space Wolf Devastators probably shouldn't be trusted with stuff with sharp corners... like dice.

 

They even compare Long Fangs to a "conventional Devastator squad" and refer to the "heaviest of weaponry" in their background section on page 46 in the Codex.

 

I see a Long Fang pack clearly enough on page 132 in the Code. If being blurry is an issue, I recommend reading up on depth of field and how a camera focuses. Of course they are going to be in the back of the picture.

 

I think this is much ado about nothing. Anyone who's that green should probably be seeking advice of other players or online before concluding that an entry in the brand new Codex can't be used because there is no kit. Come on, seriously... give me a break.

Hey we live in an age of snowflakes

[Cpt.Danjou]

I have never seen a Long Fang Box ever, not in my FLGS or at my local GW store, and I have always kitbashed my wolves with ordinary Space marine boxes: After 10+ Space wolf pack boxes my bits box is filled with Space wolves stuff to last my a life time. I think both FLGS and GW staff will help newcomers how to make Long Fangs out of Devastators, Skyclaws out of Assault marines, Swiftclaws out of Ordinary Space marine boxes etc. when people starts to ask for special boxes.
Even the different HQ's which there are no boxes are easily made, even the wolf priest, I used the wolf helmet which is in the Space wolf pack box, and the wolf head in the ordinary Space wolf pack upgrade pack, not the primaris one, is even greater for a wolf priest, as it is a bit more savage, and it is fairly easy to make a wolfiefied crux out of bits from the SWP box. In the picture below there is the excellent head for a Wolf Priest.

Just my two cents.

[Vash113]

 

Guys, the only reason the box set is no longer available is because GW ran out of the old style Devastator sprue and has not decided to produce a new box set with the updated Devastator sprue. Any further speculation or conjecture is so silly and only adds to the "sky is falling/fear mongering" I've already posted about. They spent the effort before to do it in order to sell off kit that they would not have sold off otherwise (because who wants to buy old models when new better models are out), and Space Wolves are the only army they could have done that with because we're the only ones with unique devastators.

 

I could simply say that is your assumption and not a fact stated by GW but I actually agree this is the case because we can make conclusions based on simple observation and hold them to be objectively true and fact even without direct written confirmation.

 

Now that said I'll repeat this, nobody is claiming the sky is falling, I see no fear mongering. Something odd happened, it's news, some of us like to have a chin wag about it, and that's all there is to it.

 

Oh, come on, now.  Newcomers figure these things out just fine on their own.  Anyone who doesn't understand that Long Fangs are just Space Wolf Devastators probably shouldn't be trusted with stuff with sharp corners... like dice. 

 

They even compare Long Fangs to a "conventional Devastator squad" and refer to the "heaviest of weaponry" in their background section on page 46 in the Codex.

 

I see a Long Fang pack clearly enough on page 132 in the Code. If being blurry is an issue, I recommend reading up on depth of field and how a camera focuses.  Of course they are going to be in the back of the picture.

 

I think this is much ado about nothing.  Anyone who's that green should probably be seeking advice of other players or online before concluding that an entry in the brand new Codex can't be used because there is no kit.  Come on, seriously... give me a break.

 

I think it is important to remember that not everyone who plays 40k has a solid community to help guide them, and some are younger hobbyists. In a number of ways GW has obviously been trying to appeal to a younger audience and get people into the hobby at an early age and has done so in part by trying to streamline entry into the hobby and making it as easy and approachable as possible.

 

Not everyone who walks into a Games Workshop is a hobbyist either but may be there to buy something for a friend or family member who may only have a sheet of paper with "Long Fangs" written on it.

 

It may not be a big problem but confusion as to what to buy to make your units is a problem and any step to minimize it and maximize sales would not be a bad idea. I would point out that when you type in "Devastator Squad" in Games Workshop's webstore you get three, fully three different options to click, one painted as Ultramarines, one as Blood Angels and one as Dark Angels. It's all the same box, for the same price, no upgrade sprues or anything. The same goes for Assault Squads and plenty of other units. I would think it should be little effort for GW to put in a 4th option that says "Long Fangs" and is painted up as such even though it is the same box.

[Stoic Raptor]

Well, for one, it's common sense.  The people that are complaining are not these theoretical children who apparently are old enough to use hobby knives and solvents but too young to have the reading comprehension to realize that a Long Fang is just what Space Wolves call their Devastators.

 

Second, if you're really interested in maximizing sales, you make your product more versatile, not more specialized.  Right now, the Devastator kit sells to anyone - and for a SW player desiring more wolfy Long Fangs, they sell a Space Wolves pack as well.  That's maximizing sales.  To make the kit that some people are moaning about would require tooling a whole new set of sprues - or charging twice what others pay because we'd be getting 10 instead of 5.  The Space Wolves Pack sprues aren't like most modern releases where it's two of the same sprue, so a combat squad would get only one.  And they couldn't just throw in the Devastator weapons sprue either, or these same people would be whining about why can't they use Grav Guns when they're in the kit.  And this kit would only sell to people who aren't clever enough to do things the way it's currently done.

 

This is a little different than just a differently painted Codex Devastator.  Painting them blue-grey and calling them "Long Fangs" would be disingenuous.  It wouldn't hurt them to link Devastators to show up when you filter for Space Wolves, but how much hand-holding do we need here?

 

Let's revisit the real underlying question - are people really complaining that the outdated Long Fangs kit is no longer sold?  Or are they asking for a brand new Long Fangs kit to be made (keeping in mind it would have to be a custom kit)?  Or are we really talking about why someone else isn't doing their thinking for them?  Sorry if that sounds harsh, but again, it's not a major intuitive leap here.