Schlitzaf Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 So feel free to move to homebrew. But how to fix to inquisition with Battle Brothers. I think the basic fix I have heard would be following 1) Ordos in addition to other rules adds the following faction keywords Hereticus: Adeptus Ministorum or Astra Telepathica, (Choose 1) Xenos: Deathwatch or (Xeno*), (Choose 1) Mallues: Grey Knight or Daemon (Faction), (Choose 1) Specialist: (Choose 1), (Choose 1) -Choose 1 Options: (Regiment) (Chapter)** Cult Mechanicus Skitarii Officio Assissinorum Astra Auxilia (Rattlings/Ogryns) Militarum Tempestorum Adeptus Custodes Fallen (Household) “Authority of Inquisition”: An Army led by an Inquistor is battleforged alongside as every unit in the army shares a a non-imperium keyword with the inquisitor. *Kroot, (Coterie) (or Kabal if we want to stick non FW), and Freebooterz **May not be Deathwatch or Grey Knight This would allow you to create some pretty cool thematic Forces. And give you two distinction between a radical and non radical force. Also specialist now has a place. Secondly you might have noticed, I separated several smaller factions this means that you will always give something up. It also creates limits of picking and choosing best options. Sense your limited by your inquistors keywords this will allow an inquisitor to create a cool themetic army. 2) Acolytes dropped to 5 Points or given 4+ Sv. Conversely drop to 5 points give them an option to have 4+ Save for 3 points. We can play around with points more if desired but the thing is acolytes do have 2 attacks base. 2b) (Libris) Acolytes become; Acolytes and Henchmen. Now the question becomes what will their distinctions be? 3) Jokero given character. 4) Daemonhost either allowed to be squaded or given stat boosts and character. 5) Weapon Options. GalvRifles And Power Axes. Also reduce the price of specials/Power Weapons to gaurd levels. 5b) Each Ordos gets its own unique power Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Looks very similar to something I suggested a couple of weeks ago.... the different Ordos gaining different keywords. Nice to see people are thinking on the same lines as me.... ...edit: however I just updated the Authority of the INQ, to enable the Inquistor to take over as the Warlord but otherwise didnt interfere with how the army list is put together Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I'd love to see a few changes along the following lines. 1) Units added to inquisition, such as vehicles. 2) A rewrite of acolytes into acolytes (elite retinue members) and henchmen (mooks along for the ride.) 3) Ordo traits 4) A cheapish strategem that replaces keywords from various faction models with the appropriate Ordo Keyword from an inquisitor in the detachment. By #4, I mean I'd like to have the strategem replace <Regiment> with <Ordo>, Grey Knights with Ordo Malleus, Deathwatch with Ordo Xenos, <Chapter> with <Ordo>, etc. in order to make a proper inquisition force with inducted members. I'd cap out how many units it could work on (say, 1-3) but it would allow them to take advantage of Inquisition based abilities to represent having worked with this inquisitor enough in the past. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Looks very similar to something I suggested a couple of weeks ago.... the different Ordos gaining different keywords. Nice to see people are thinking on the same lines as me.... ...edit: however I just updated the Authority of the INQ, to enable the Inquistor to take over as the Warlord but otherwise didnt interfere with how the army list is put together Your idea is what inspired me actually Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I’d just like a simple rule like the AM auxiliary units. Something like any inquisition unit can be included in any imperial detachment without breaking its keyword or preventing it getting a chapter trait (or equivalent). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 I’d just like a simple rule like the AM auxiliary units. Something like any inquisition unit can be included in any imperial detachment without breaking its keyword or preventing it getting a chapter trait (or equivalent). My main beef is that it wouldn’t represent radicals well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I’d just like a simple rule like the AM auxiliary units. Something like any inquisition unit can be included in any imperial detachment without breaking its keyword or preventing it getting a chapter trait (or equivalent).My main beef is that it wouldn’t represent radicals well That’s true but to be honest I can’t see GW ever letting you run an inquisitor with some orks or full daemon list unless they came up with a fallen inquisition type faction. For radicals I think you’d have to take a similar approach to the one they’ve used for Eisenhorn which is that if he summons Cherubael he loses the unquestionable wisdom ability. Maybe radicals can pick from an extended list of henchmen or psychic powers like a single Xenos henchman or some daemonhosts etc but they suffer some kind of penalty, maybe the army they’re joining don’t count towards deciding if the inquisitor is he closest model or not as they wouldn’t sell their lives for a radical. You’d also have to have some restrictions like radical inquisitors can’t join Grey Knights or Custodes armies or something similar. I’m only thinking aloud with these ideas as I’ve never really given radical inquisitors much thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Two ways you could do it then: 1) Different data sheets for Radicals to Puritans enabling you to take 6 inquisitors in a list (meaning you can take a max out Supream HQ formation without having to take named Inquisitors) 2) add its as an upgrade to the Ordos... ie Ordos Xenos & a plus /minus points to change to a radical. You can then have a list of keywords you cant have if you include a Radical or puritan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I needed 3 attempts to read and understand the original Idea I would say this would be way to complicated, better keep it easy. So i would go with something like this: A Inquisitor can be part of every Imperial detachment without breaking Battlebrother or Chapter Tactics,... Radicals can in addition bring one non Imperial Units with them into the Detachment. This unit does not count to fil the Detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 The idea is that the different Ordos have a list effect as well as a game effect (for fluff reasons :p)... and so you dont get ordos mallaus with DeathWatch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 It would be nice to see GW put some effort into Inquisition like granting the different Ordos the same Status as Chapter Tactics but thats somewhat unlikly. I don't think we will ever see a Codex Inquisition. We can consider ourselfs lucky if GW makes them playable again by deleting the Battlebrother restriction for them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5178959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Inquisitors are a huge part of the game and will not go away. I just hope their codex will be more than the rogue trader codex from KT. I hope they get more 40K coverage as we know they'll get their KT coverage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5179232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The idea is that the different Ordos have a list effect as well as a game effect (for fluff reasons :p)... and so you dont get ordos mallaus with DeathWatchdeathwatch is ordo xeno. Gk are ordo malleus. And I believe that giving thr sppropriate keywords to gk de and sisters could be a great idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5179350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Would kill for inquisitors to be able to join the forces of their respective chamber militants of the ordos. Would go a long way to solve inquisition force problems. Suggested keyword fixes above hit the nail on the head imo. Would be nice to see the inquisitors armoury expanded to actually do what theyre meant to- xenos having things useful against xenos; hereticus useful against psykers etc. Ordos specific psychic power (just 1 or 2 at most) fir each ordos. Not sure about xenos or malleus, but one for hereticus that comes to mind is one that makes enemy psyker(s) suffer perils on any double when casting for a turn. Really, make the witch/daemon/alien hunters actually feel like hunters specialised in ruining their day. Not just...what we have now. Im rambling. Keyword=good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5180461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I'd like to see some rule to allow an Acolyte have a heavy weapon (you would also have to work in a limitiation on how many can take a heavy weaposn of course). Also all Ordos Inquisitors should be able to take Adeptus Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5180469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Would kill for inquisitors to be able to join the forces of their respective chamber militants of the ordos. Would go a long way to solve inquisition force problems. Suggested keyword fixes above hit the nail on the head imo. Would be nice to see the inquisitors armoury expanded to actually do what theyre meant to- xenos having things useful against xenos; hereticus useful against psykers etc. Ordos specific psychic power (just 1 or 2 at most) fir each ordos. Not sure about xenos or malleus, but one for hereticus that comes to mind is one that makes enemy psyker(s) suffer perils on any double when casting for a turn. Really, make the witch/daemon/alien hunters actually feel like hunters specialised in ruining their day. Not just...what we have now. Im rambling. Keyword=good. Just the chamber militant keyword? Or the idea of the (Choose 1) and a different keyword for radicals. Secondly what for specialist? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5180594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just chamber militant for now. Get that fixed and then other stuff can be worked in later. Baby steps. That is one thing i do miss about the old witch/daemon hunter dexs. Making puritan and radical inquisitors was possible. Witch hunters could take psychic hoods to counter psychic abilities or the penitent psykers and psychic lightening rods (which was so cool). Today? Puritan hereticus: you can have a rod that does d3 damage against psykers... I do like your suggestion of the either/or for each ordos and it has some potential down the track. Just the radical options are a bit....radical, lol. Fits! Totally workable in narrative. Good luck convincing die hard matched players. Specialists can easily have access to militarum. As for a radical version? No idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5180678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNegan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Crazy thought. Perhaps inquisitors are going to get put into the beta dex with sisters in CA? There's presidence for it with the old imperial agents codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5185279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Doubtful but would be nice to see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5185407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Crazy thought. Perhaps inquisitors are going to get put into the beta dex with sisters in CA? There's presidence for it with the old imperial agents codex? Except this is begining to sound more like Codex 'whats imperial with out a codex yet' rather than Codex:Sisters of Battle. I mean if you put the Inquistion in you now have 8 or more HQs where only 2 are sisters of battle..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5186369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Crazy thought. Perhaps inquisitors are going to get put into the beta dex with sisters in CA? There's presidence for it with the old imperial agents codex? The problem is, only one branch of the inquisiton uses the Sisters as its chamber militant. Malleus inquisitors should be with the Grey Knights and Xenos inquisitors with the deathwatch. Putting them all with the sisters doesn’t do the sisters or the inquisitors justice in terms of their background or abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5186436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I think we’ more likely to see Rogue Traders and Inquisition sharing a Codex. The retinues we’ve seen in Kill Team and Blackstone Fortress could easily become Inquisitorial Warbands just by swapping the leaders. Eldar rangers and Kroot trackers for radical Xenos Inquisitors? Yes please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350777-fixing-inquistion/#findComment-5188947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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