Eldar hate at my store

[dbecer01]

So, I do not currently play Eldar, but it seems most people at my store just hate them. Not only do they feel they are OP, bull :cuss but they hate how they look too.

 

So my question would be, do you guys get a lot of hate for playing Eldar, and do people refuse to play your Eldar army?

 

Aside from the above, how long do they take to play? Some of the models are nice, and I like the bright color schemes.

 

Also, what would be a fluffy reason for 2 Eldar armies to fight each other? Since they're a dying race, it doesn't seem practical...

[Frostglaive]

I just recently started collecting Eldar. Not enough to play them yet, but hopefully in the next month or two. However, in my local meta, the opinions about Eldar are rather mixed. A fair number of us don't mind them (got 3 players, not including me, who have Harlequins or Drukhari). There are some in the local meta who don't like them or like to complain about them (namely the Eldar soup lists seen in tournaments). However, one of them is just a doom-sayer about everything, and the other is a competitive tournament player as it is. Nobody refuses to fight Eldar though. But there is a general respect towards newer players to where Eldar, as well as a few other armies, aren't brought out against them just yet.

 

Not entirely sure how long they take to play. Like I said, new to Eldar myself. I do agree, the models look fantastic though.

 

Fluffy reason for 2 Eldar armies to fight? Two Craftworlds fighting for different goals and coming to odds, Drukhari vs Drukhari trying to gain more power and influence among the Kabals, Harelquins doing whatever it is they do. Craftworlds not agreeing with Drukhari over something, or them raiding a craftworld. They fight each other more than people think they do, especially when it comes to Drukhari.

[dbecer01]

I know the Drukhari do always, but almost always, I think of the Craftworld Eldar teaming up togeather for some higher purpose important to all Eldar, or to save soul stones, etc ...

[N1SB]

Hi Brother, thanks for asking.

 

So, I do not currently play Eldar, but it seems most people at my store just hate them. Not only do they feel they are OP, BS,but they hate how they look too.

So my question would be, do you guys get a lot of hate for playing Eldar, and do people refuse to play your Eldar army?

Also, what would be a fluffy reason for 2 Eldar armies to fight each other? Since they're a dying race, it doesn't seem practical...

 

Ya, people in my meta dislike Eldar because it is PERCEIVED many people play them because they're OP rather than they like their miniatures/lore/etc.

 

It's that disconnect that seems to be particularly prominent with the Eldar.  Other people who play other OP armies, like Knights, still like the miniatures/lore/etc. of Knights.  They would have been eyeing the Forgeworld Knights, demonstrating a genuine passion.  When the new Knights codex turned out to be really good, it just made their army decision easier, but the desire was always there.

 

However, a very good and personal counter-example.  One close friend in our meta is getting into Eldar/Dark Eldar/Harlequins.  He happens to be the best painter among us, he bought the Death Masque box before Harlequins became OP, just so he could paint them.  He was also the one guy in our area that read the Gathering Storm trilogy when it 1st came out like I did and we would discuss it and we both found Fracture of Biel-tan surprisingly interesting.  He then went on to read the Ynnari novel and he didn't mention it to us until months after and he was really excited about it.

 

So when he started saying, "Well...I'll admit I've been look at the Eldar codex..." we all convinced him to go all out.  We knew it's a genuine love regardless of whether or not Eldar are OP.  He's got a theme based on a splinter force of Aeldari working together to search for the mythical crone swords, he was telling us about the lore we didn't know and tying it with his army, etc.  We felt bad for making him feel embarrassed about Eldar, we were the ones that were clearly wrong.

 

And just one look at his painted Harlequins, some of which are converted beautifully, has turned every skeptic into at least believing that he believes.  Nobody would mind playing against him because it's another chance to see his miniatures up close.  I tried to convince him to enter it into Armies on Parade, but he said he needed at least another month, and he didn't want to unveil it half-done without a board this crone sword quest he has in his mind.

 

There is no disconnect with him.  Only dedication.  And that is the difference IMHO.

 

 

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Regarding reasons for Aeldari forces fighting one another, despite them being a dying race and they should just agree to disagree, I think there is a legitimate debate among them right now.  It's the Ynnari/Yncarne.  It's a major event that has implications for the whole race that is still quite a divisive issue, for good reason.

 

The Fracture of Biel-tan isn't just limited to the physical breaking of a craftworld, it's a bit of a schism among the Aeldari.  Not everyone liked the idea of birthing another god after Slaanesh, and even if they did, they might not like how it happened, nor their plans going forward.

 

Thus, 2 Aeldari forces fighting one another might be doing so, believing their own side to be the true salvation of their entire race, thus justifying the conflict.  Just IMHO.  I think the only exception to this is Harlequins, who all are pretty much in favour of everything the Ynnari are doing IIRC.  Edit - please see Brother Caerolion's post below!

[Slasher956]

So, I do not currently play Eldar, but it seems most people at my store just hate them. Not only do they feel they are OP, BS,but they hate how they look too.

 

So my question would be, do you guys get a lot of hate for playing Eldar, and do people refuse to play your Eldar army?

 

Aside from the above, how long do they take to play? Some of the models are nice, and I like the bright color schemes.

 

Also, what would be a fluffy reason for 2 Eldar armies to fight each other? Since they're a dying race, it doesn't seem practical...

Well a fair bit of the 'hate' is from older editions when the eldar where OP... & its not helped by the Craftworlds still  ignoring parts of the rule book (you know the whole only firing assault weapons after advancing...stuff like that)

 

The club I go to has a number of eldar players who have armies for 3rd (like me) or older so we have models which are a bit dated in our lists, which causes people to go wow more then calling them ugly.

 

As to length of time to play them it depends on your list the same as any other faction.

 

And to add to what N1SB said about 2 Eldar factions fighting each other... you also have the background of the Saim Hann craftworld... not called the wild host for nothing, as they were the most likely to attack other craftworlds (and other clans of their own craftworld!) over insults 

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

Regarding reasons for Aeldari forces fighting one another, despite them being a dying race and they should just agree to disagree, I think there is a legitimate debate among them right now.  It's the Ynnari/Yncarne.  It's a major event that has implications for the whole race that is still quite a divisive issue, for good reason.

 

The Fracture of Biel-tan isn't just limited to the physical breaking of a craftworld, it's a bit of a schism among the Aeldari.  Not everyone liked the idea of birthing another god after Slaanesh, and even if they did, they might not like how it happened, nor their plans going forward.

 

Thus, 2 Aeldari forces fighting one another might be doing so, believing their own side to be the true salvation of their entire race, thus justifying the conflict.  Just IMHO.  I think the only exception to this is Harlequins, who all are pretty much in favour of everything the Ynnari are doing IIRC.

 

Actually, the Harlequins are just as split. The Veiled Path are very much behind the Ynnari, but their motives are always not what they seem to be, other Harlequins think that Cegorach is the one true savior of the Eldar and that splitting their focus onto this new upstart is dangerous, others are wholehearted believers in Ynnead, others don't trust them but think they're useful pawns, etc. So, pretty much the same as the rest of the Eldar.

[MithrilForge]

my mates and i when we play a faction against same faction...we call it a "training exercise" and they are sparring with each other for bragging rights  how else can you test out your new tactics without loss of precious Eldar life 

 

Also i play with friends so we accept all armies...we may cry "woah!, thats a spanky army" and cry like girls a little bit but we get over it by learning our opponents army...

 

Good luck with your Craft world army... Go Saim Hann  

 

Mithril 

[Emperor's Instrument]

So, I do not currently play Eldar, but it seems most people at my store just hate them. Not only do they feel they are OP, BS,but they hate how they look too.

 

So my question would be, do you guys get a lot of hate for playing Eldar, and do people refuse to play your Eldar army?

 

As far as your first question.....

 

I think there is a lot of hangovers about OP Eldar from the previous editions, mainly concerning how many D-weapons were being thrown around on relatively mid-points priced units. Alongside that Wraithknights were absolutely horrendously and seriously underpriced, and you could pull some cheeky shenanigans with Warp Spiders and Flicker Jumping.

 

Fast forward to the current edition and obviously D weapons don't exist plus the Wraithknight is now super expensive for what it delivers and its effectiveness compared to an equivalent Imperial Knight.

 

I play Saim-Hann but I only use a single unit of Wind Riders. For me, that Craftworld is all about the colour scheme. The combination of red, white and black across the core standard units in the codex is great; vibrant and contrasting.

 

I use two Farseers, one one a jetbike and the other on foot, with a combination of Wraithguard and Wraithlords and air support from two Crimson Hunters and a single Hemlock. So, although I gain the benefits of having resilient Wraith type units, I lose out on the Iyanden benefits and don't hugely gain with Saim-Hann due to only one unit of six jet bikes. Therefore, although I've never experienced anyone moaning about taking Eldar units out of a case, if they were to its fairly clear the once you actually look at it, I'm not exactly stacking the deck in my favour for rules.

 

The aspect of my army that people don't like is the aeroplanes rather than the 17 Wraith models because the aeroplanes move fast, turn quick and can slag vehicles fairly quickly.

 

I even chanced my arm and took a Revenant Titan to a 100 Power Level tournament weekend at WHW earlier this year. And guess what, I didn't win all five games because first turn is just as pivotal in modern 40k than the actual armies on the table. Regardless of how hard and army is perceived to be, first turn and shooting the backside off of it will really skew the playing field. An army is only as good as the general marshalling the units and making the decisions.

 

Based on the units that I use, Wraithguard are really resilient. Clearly, getting shot at by -3Ap guns can really hurt but when five Wraithblades can walk away from 30 Ork Boyz at the expense of five wounds lost, I'll take that.

 

I don't use Wraithknights because I personally don't think they are worth the points cost. A 500pt+ bullet magnet dying by turn two is rough to say the least. Even just losing wounds and then dropping in effectiveness is enough to put the final nail in the coffin of that unit.

 

I love the aeroplanes simply because I like aeroplanes. Some people elect to use three Hemlocks, each to their own, but that is really disgusting in my view.

 

I'm adding in some Harlequins currently for some close combat option. Why not Howling Banshees????? Easy, Harlequins are plastic. Howling Banshees have been one of my favourite looking units in WH40k since I started the hobby in the mid 90's but I don't like metal models and I like finecast even less, ergo, Murder Clowns instead. Plus I can paint them in a style that compliments the Saim-Hann colour scheme.

[MithrilForge]

So, I do not currently play Eldar, but it seems most people at my store just hate them. Not only do they feel they are OP, BS,but they hate how they look too.

So my question would be, do you guys get a lot of hate for playing Eldar, and do people refuse to play your Eldar army?

I'm adding in some Harlequins currently for some close combat option. Why not Howling Banshees????? Easy, Harlequins are plastic. Howling Banshees have been one of my favourite looking units in WH40k since I started the hobby in the mid 90's but I don't like metal models and I like finecast even less, ergo, Murder Clowns instead. Plus I can paint them in a style that compliments the Saim-Hann colour scheme.

great army list you have and great choice with Saim Hann

i'm going to do a similar thing with adding Harlies too...this is the scheme i'm choosing as i think it's quite compatible with Saim Hann colours -

Cheers, Mithril

[Trevak Dal]

I know the Drukhari do always, but almost always, I think of the Craftworld Eldar teaming up togeather for some higher purpose important to all Eldar, or to save soul stones, etc ...

Well each craftworld is it's own political and cultural entity within the Aeldari race, and in their fragmentation have become even more divided.

 

Add in low birth rates, and the fact they all need resources, and I can see why some Craftworlds would have beef with each other.

 

In 6th and 7th edition, Eldar was the only army I felt absolutely comfortable going "all out" on with my Tau. And it was always a close fight.

 

Since the coming of ynarri...and 8th...there aren't any more close fights.

[Xenith]

I started collecting Eldar as they were broken and overpowered, and I loved the models.

 

5k pts or so later, I still love the models, and they're still overpowered. The design philosophy of 'this unit must be the best at what it does, but bad at everything else' makes for some solid rules writing.

 

Running my mechanised lists, I found I usually had to make mistakes in my gameplay to give my opponents a chance. It's not a fun time for them when you hit T3 and all they've killed is a couple of guadrians and a jetbike. 

[Claws and Effect]

I don't know yet, to be honest.

 

I decided to get into Eldar after I really enjoyed playing Harlequins in Kill Team. I've always enjoyed the lore, but Marines was what got me into the game.

 

I did a little digging and concluded that Craftworld Lugganath was the one most likely to work with Harlequins, and I really dug the bright orange and black scheme they have.

 

So I'm planning a list that uses a Harlequins Battalion with support from Lugganath in the form of Wraith units.

[Karhedron]

The problem with Ynnari is that is tends to force army builds into a couple of over-effective builds (e.g. Yvraine and a big blob of Dark Reapers) rather than providing a balanced toolkit for building a variety of armies around. To be fair, Eldar Soup can be accomplished without Ynnari at all by taking a Harlequins or DE detachment for masses of Haywire and a Craftworld detachment for a Doomseer.

 

Eldar are strong in 8th edition but not brokenly so the way they could be in 7th edition. Hopefully next month's Index Ynnari in White Dwarf will help restore balance to the Force faction. Time to let the Eldar hatred pass.

 

[dbecer01]

point 1: I have gotten myself an airbrush, and will use it soon when I hace time. Once I feel comfortable, and have my 1k sons ready, I will start thinking Aeldar.

 

point 2: The abject hatred in my store against Aeldar soup ... Especially if you say the dreaded Y-word ... or mention soul burst ... I think, tbh, there are sone specific Aeldar mechanics that are a little ... powerful .. and they do make the opponent feel like they have no chance ...

 

I will still get Aeldar at some point, because I like the models, and don't have a prob playing against very competetive people with them ...

[The Yncarne]

The social shaming/stigma seems to be doing its job.

 

I played little in 6th or 7th but clearly read the loathing for eldar soup in general and Ynarri specifically. I’ve found using old school figs in large quantities quickly hushes same complainers. Someday, the OP will be in the same boat for playing Eldar, but will have a collection of models more than a decade old up to the latest inexpensive and effective units that others think as broken.

 

That’s what it means to be a long-term eldar player (for me, that’s pre-Craftworlds concept long).

[ShibeKing]

There's always going to be hate for almost any faction you decide to play as. There's always someone who will tell you how to play or paint. Casually and politely disregard them. If you love the models and the faction then that's all that matters.

 

Spoken from a fan of Imperial Knights and Drukhari.

[Clingy]

Ynnari leak is up on reddit

[Karhedron]

Ynnari leak is up on reddit

And up on B&C as well.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354813-may-white-dwarf-rise-of-the-ynnari/?p=5302889

[tychobi]

The negative feeling towards space elves goes way back. I can remember long discussions around dislike of Eldar in 1995. I think its the perception of aloof disdain trickery and supiriority that polarize folks to either love or hate.

[Claws and Effect]

These days the hate stems from people spamming Alaitoc units that can stack up to a -3 to hit penalty, depending on the unit.

 

They do have some really cheesy mechanics and combos that can make them not fun to play against, and a significant percentage of Eldar players will abuse those mechanics in the extreme.

 

When I see 3 Alaitoc Hemlock Wraithfighters across the table from me that are going to be at -2 or -3 to hit them most of the time, I know the game is going to be tedious.

[Dread]

Hi everyone! First I would like to say that I play a variety of armies. I have a huge eldar army, big dark eldar , respectful harli but also big grey knights, big necron, death wing, black legion. I will point out in our area the thousand suns and death guard are the hated ones but we still play against them. From my armies, my Saim Hann have been doing good against them but still not overly powerful against other armies. I do have to say I'm not a power gamer, I like to have fun but can dish it out to the so called tourney players if they show up. As for what you're saying, they seem to not like variety and are scared of a mostly T3 elves. They don't pay attention to the perks of their armies and get upset that their perks arn't the same as others, basically only they should have perks and nobody else. All eldar armies actually require some finesse to play, so go to the games and enjoy listening to them belly ache and have fun, the actual reason for playing.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

Ya, people in my meta dislike Eldar because it is PERCEIVED many people play them because they're OP rather than they like their miniatures/lore/etc.

 

 

 

Yea I had the 'oh your that guy' crap off someone once when I said I started Eldar, something something bandwagon jumping because I fail at playing Chaos (my Slaanesh marines have a 100% win rate in 8th, and I have done pretty damn good in every edition since the 2nd ed Chaos dex dropped so his 'logic' was flawed), until I showed him my army so far. 5 Fire Dragons, 5 Banshees, a under strength unit of 5 Guardians, 2 Grav Platforms and an Avatar, the Avatar and Grav Platforms are the most 'modern' minis in my force and they are 2nd ed figures. The only reason I took them off Fortes hands is because Fire Dragons were the first minis I ever bought and it was a nostalga thing, I couldnt afford two armies as a kid so I settled on marines and now Im trying to get the force I wanted as a youngling but could never have. Re living the past when life was easier is the only reason I have them. 

 

Screw the Eldar haters, they probably only complain because they cant use their armys good enough. 

[Slasher956]

Supprisingly until the beta 'dex dropped by Sisters had a better win rate than my Craftworld ..(60% win with Sisters compared to 30ish% with the eldar).... ok after the beta my sister win rate droped to 0!  so they got shelved for a while...

[justicarius6]

Main reason for Eldar hate in my old area (I've relocated a lot further away now, but I'm still in the same gaming groups) these days is the flyer spam coupled with alaitoc bonuses. One player started an Eldar force recently and do you know what were the first units off the assembly line? 7 Flyers. All the rest was afterthought.

 

Flyer spam has always been despised no matter the army, Stormravens anyone? And just wait till the iron hands start dropping in...

[TorvaldTheMild]

So, I do not currently play Eldar, but it seems most people at my store just hate them. Not only do they feel they are OP, bull but they hate how they look too.

 

So my question would be, do you guys get a lot of hate for playing Eldar, and do people refuse to play your Eldar army?

 

Aside from the above, how long do they take to play? Some of the models are nice, and I like the bright color schemes.

 

Also, what would be a fluffy reason for 2 Eldar armies to fight each other? Since they're a dying race, it doesn't seem practical...

Well, they aren't as OP as they used to be, I mean I can beat them with my WE's and its a pure world eater list which isn't competitive at all, I don't use anything that isn't fluffy in the CSM codex. as the best way to beat them is tabling them because they are basically kings of the tactical objective game and their own tactical objectives are ridiculous, so many 'destroy one unit and get a victory point' they are absurdly easy to get and as a Biel Tan player I must say their objectives are stupidly easy to get.  But to win with eldar you need to know how to play them, they aren't the auto win they used to be.  I find them much easier to beat than they used to be, their overwatch is insane though but no reason for your club to hate them in this edition.