Wassa Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Are they worth taking for a cadian regiment? They give a leasership 8 to all units within 8” which works out to be +1. This is good. (Not great for catachans though). Allows you to kill 1 man and retake the moral test. I can’t see this being super effective? The commissar tank seems great giving a Leadership 9 though it does cost CP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 What gets me is only being allowed to do that reroll once per game per unit. And it’s only a 6” bubble. For 16 points it’s not awful, far better than it was. I love the commissar tank option, Ld9 is really good for your screens! Another decent choice is the Lord Commissar (if you have a spare HQ slot). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Commissars are OK for their points. I use them to fill up the Elit Slot or use the Lord Comissar to fill the HQ Slot. The Moral buff of +1 or if you use the Lord Comissar +2 is nice. The Re-roll mechanic isn't that great. It won't stop a nearly death unit from Running or make much a difference on a Unit with only some casualties. I myself use them to take objectives in the Late game, when all the Squads are dead they should have buffed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I agree, they're not bad currently. Not good either but can serve a nice roll buffing leadership a bit, and great for theme (as well as looking spiffy) :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Yeah I'm taking a mass of infantry so I think it may be worth it. Am I right in thinking it's best to swap the bolt pistol with a bolt gun for the same points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZakalwe Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Yeah I'm taking a mass of infantry so I think it may be worth it. Am I right in thinking it's best to swap the bolt pistol with a bolt gun for the same points? You are entirely correct- bolt guns on most AM characters are pretty much the best '1 point' you can spend in the army. If you have a lot of infantry I think the +1 morale pays for them quite quickly and that's ignoring the benefits having an extra character opens up- much easier to hide 1 guy to charge from out of LoS to deny overwatch than a squad (I'm consistently amused by how many people let you charge their tanks with Guard squads). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 What gets me is only being allowed to do that reroll once per game per unit. .Huh? “The first time a unit fails a morale check...” You can reroll one failed morale check, after that one, no more execution Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 What gets me is only being allowed to do that reroll once per game per unit. .Huh?“The first time a unit fails a morale check...” You can reroll one failed morale check, after that one, no more execution It reads: the First time a unit fails a moral test during the moral phase.... I know it is missleading but in fact this sentense only says you can't roll a second time in the same phase for the same unit. If you look this rule up in different languages in every one it is pretty clear. I would just but this on GW and their unclear rule writhing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 What gets me is only being allowed to do that reroll once per game per unit. .Huh?“The first time a unit fails a morale check...” You can reroll one failed morale check, after that one, no more execution It reads: the First time a unit fails a moral test during the moral phase....I know it is missleading but in fact this sentense only says you can't roll a second time in the same phase for the same unit. If you look this rule up in different languages in every one it is pretty clear. I would just but this on GW and their unclear rule writhing. Interesting. I always interpreted it the other way. Not that it matters to my Catachans, their commissars always seem to go missing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5181598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I like taking LCs because B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5183892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEMPESTOR 6773 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 There pretty scary fighters for basic humans and can give your opponent a bit of a suprise in combat especially if you give them a powerfist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5184342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Or relic power sword ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5184575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Yer a lord commissar with the relic sword is lovely. Ws 2+ S5 -4 d3 is great. They need a power sword anyway, Base cost is 35 for a very useful character with LD9 and the option to re-roll it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5184609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Combat is a very good point I had forgotten! I wasn't too long ago I had a Lord Commissar and Commissar barrel into combat to save the day Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5184922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just imagine in non-matched play...a Valkyrie or Chimera full of a LC and 11 Commissar-Cadets, all with Powerweapons, barreling into CC. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5185538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Short Answer: No, not really. Long Answer: *Long pause as I consider melee potential, moral, cheap ways to fill FOC slots, and various other aspects of a unit's use* No, not really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5185747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 As an aside, boltguns and storm bolters are always worth considering. If they kill one of anything they make their points back, even if its just a cultists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5186549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 As an aside, boltguns and storm bolters are always worth considering. If they kill one of anything they make their points back, even if its just a cultists. I'll agree with you on the bolters but storm bolters aren't in the IG codex (aside from vehicles and Yarrick.) Still, a bolter takes full advantage of a commissar's decent BS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5186573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 I do like the idea of storm bolters on a hellhound, it just adds to the carnage! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5186595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEMPESTOR 6773 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I converted my lord commissar to look like a permanent attachment to a scion regiment using a scion as the base and adding a few bits here and there and giving him a paint job to make him stand out and to be fair they don't have to kill much to get there points back and they can handle things like scouts, stealth suits and other smaller style threats pretty easy I find. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5186632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordian Glory Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I have moved back to using pure infantry and I never leave home without my commissars now. Moral is a big issue for me and I don't want to give away free "kills" to my opponent through battleshock. However, I find commissars most important use is as emergency power weapons. Sometimes you just need a power weapon to help do the last wound to a damaged enemy unit and a commissar with power sword and bolter is only 20pts. Also there is nothing cooler then a commissar leading a bayonet charge waving his power sword about! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5187062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I use mine as company cmd orders are better than a flat ld8 that Mordia can give you anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5187800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Deus Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I played a game last night where I tried taking a Lord Commissar and a regular Commissar. I played infantry heavy Cadians; 9 Infantry Squads, and 2 30-man Conscript Squads. I also had two command squads, both with Regimental Standards to help boost Ld a little further. I haven't used any Commissars since the big nerf dropped, but the combination of having the option to perform a Summary Execution (rather than being forced to), and the price drop from the Big FAQ, I think they're worth it again. I'm leaning towards the Lord Commissar possibly being a better choice simply because they're an HQ choice; which in my case is a stronger argument than just the increased stats. I don't know about you guys, but I find that my Elites slots fill up faster than I'd like! Commissars haven't quite gone back to being an "auto-include" in my lists, but if I can spare the points I'll probably start fielding them again from now on. Now, if they'd only drop the price of Conscripts to 3 pts again, I would have one less thing to complain about, lol! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5199821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZakalwe Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'm amazed people can fill their elite slots - a normal battalion has 6 and it's not uncommon to run double battalion from more than 1k (hell my 1k list includes double bat). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5199905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'm amazed people can fill their elite slots - a normal battalion has 6 and it's not uncommon to run double battalion from more than 1k (hell my 1k list includes double bat). I struggle to fill my elite spots. Sure we got Command Squads and Special Weapons Squads, but they're just tiny squads of men with expensive guns who will be prime targets for the enemy. While other factions tend to have tougher elites which help them with this problem. Unless I foresee a reason to take 2 Bullgryn Squads and a missionary, I may not bother bringing any elites. I occasionally bring a Lord Commissar to fill up a HQ spot in games where you're limited on bringing duplicate datasheets. If they had the original execution or a bigger bubble then they'd be an instant pick! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350887-are-commissars-worth-taking-again/#findComment-5200003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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