LucidNinja Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hey everyone, Just had a bit of a thought, my current army plan has a watch captain with dominus aegis protecting 2 Ven dreads as my main source of AA. Now I was thinking what about using the Skyshield maybe instead as it offers an advantage of height. Even when it is destroyed it is treated as ruins which do not get removed so the height advantage would still apply. I was thinking that with orkz about to come out being able to stay away from there close combat abilities will be very helpful. Opinions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 But what advantage does height give you under 8th edition Charge/Combat phase rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5181585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 But what advantage does height give you under 8th edition Charge/Combat phase rules? They need to climb it, obviously. Height has a more important advantage, though...LoS. A relatively immobile group like that can be easily avoided (at least on 95% of the tables I see), so it's pretty beneficial that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5181591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 It would be adding about 4" to any charge, couple that with our ork strat and you could deny a fair bit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5181898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It takes up 1 points that you can not really afford to spend on it and 2 it consumes a force org slot that you again can not afford to consume. If you are that worried about air defense consider a Xyphon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5181959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It takes up 1 points that you can not really afford to spend on it and 2 it consumes a force org slot that you again can not afford to consume. If you are that worried about air defense consider a Xyphon? Naw, you can afford to add it both points and detachment wise. Few DW armies even at the high end of tournaments fill out three detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5181991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Not really looking at tournament OR air defense. Just another speed bump to assault units. Has there been a clear ruling if enemy units can be ontop of this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5182010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Not really looking at tournament OR air defense. Just another speed bump to assault units. Has there been a clear ruling if enemy units can be ontop of this? Don't see why they couldn't. While you paid for it, once it's on the table it's just another piece of terrain. Honestly it isn't going to stop a dedicated assault unit from getting to your KTs if they really want to, in my experience. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5182351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 The only trick i am aware of regarding a skyshield is the old one with an eldar lynx and abusing rules to give them free repairs and a 4++ save. If your looking for terrain that could provide a useful turtle position would not a void shield generator be a better choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5182944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Not really looking at tournament OR air defense. Just another speed bump to assault units. Has there been a clear ruling if enemy units can be ontop of this? Don't see why they couldn't. While you paid for it, once it's on the table it's just another piece of terrain. Honestly it isn't going to stop a dedicated assault unit from getting to your KTs if they really want to, in my experience. If they deep strike, yes, but didn't recent FAQ pretty much said you can string your unit around the edge of building to shut down assaults completely if enemy can't place his models there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5182988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Two dreads cannot block off a skyshield landing pad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5183069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Two dreads cannot block off a skyshield landing pad. Then add more bodies into the backfield. There, problem solved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5183087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 If you mean putting Marines up on the skyshield I say it's a bad idea - they will just get shot down like dogs... SM die in droves now to just about any shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5183101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Funny idea, Skyshield ontop of a Skyshield. Raises a bunch of stupid unwritten rules and makes the minimum charge like 10 inches if possible... 2 dreadnoughts could shutdown deepstrike bubble ontop I believe if placed correctly. Plus does the Skyshield itself prevent being within 9" ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5183320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Static defence emplacements announce where your deploying and are suited to planetstrike Apocalypse and large narrative games. Your also having to shift scenery around to accommodate the piece and then you have discussions about them, there just hassle you don't need in general casual as well as comp games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350897-skyshield-defence/#findComment-5183567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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