BolterZorro Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I'm not a custodes specialist. But it seems that the captain on bike is a nice investment. I'm building a primaris army. I don't want to add old marines. I like the look of the gold boys on bikes. Is a suprem command of 3 captain a good investment for a primaris army? I like their speed and versatility, but are they efficient enough? A box contains 1 captain and 2 bikes: do I need to buy 3 boxes to get the 3 captains? Are they differents from the normal bike? Let's got further : what to add to get a (minimum) battallion (with 3 captains and 3 troops) and what boxes to buy to get them (I'm really confused on the GW site)? Is it worth to have such a bataillon to add to primaris? About the title: I also intend to get the Mechanicus battleforce (2 boxes). As I won't take the chickens with them, I'd like to add those 3 captains (suprem command or bataillon?) with those Mechanicus. So, same question goes with mechanicus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 are they efficient enough? The issue is they're too damn efficient I'd just buy a single box of bikes and call em captains, whether you choose to give them the captain head or not is up to you. I prefer the basic head with the plume filed off. Just make em captains by alternating the colour on their shoulderpads or something. If you want a Battleforged Adeptus Custodes Battalion, the cheapest way to do it (with bike captains) is 2 bike captains and 3 x 3 Custodian Guard with spears. A better battalion is 3 x 3 Custidian Guard squads, with 2 in each unit with spears and 1 in each unit with a Sentinel Blade and Stormshield for extra survivability, but that cost more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 If you want a Battleforged Adeptus Custodes Battalion, the cheapest way to do it (with bike captains) is 2 bike captains and 3 x 3 Custodian Guard with spears. A better battalion is 3 x 3 Custidian Guard squads, with 2 in each unit with spears and 1 in each unit with a Sentinel Blade and Stormshield for extra survivability, but that cost more. Thank you rcoon. Lets go deeper: ok for the minimum bataillon with efficiency. 3x(2+1). Is it enough or should I add a flag or something to make them efficient for cheap? You know, sometimes adding a little something may change things a transform the points invested into stronger points. Are guards enough? in place, wardens? The idea is that is a batiallon not super expensive but strong enough to be used for something. (EDIT: so, buying only 2 boxes of guards is enough?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 If you want a Battleforged Adeptus Custodes Battalion, the cheapest way to do it (with bike captains) is 2 bike captains and 3 x 3 Custodian Guard with spears. A better battalion is 3 x 3 Custidian Guard squads, with 2 in each unit with spears and 1 in each unit with a Sentinel Blade and Stormshield for extra survivability, but that cost more. Thank you rcoon. Lets go deeper: ok for the minimum bataillon with efficiency. 3x(2+1). Is it enough or should I add a flag or something to make them efficient for cheap? You know, sometimes adding a little something may change things a transform the points invested into stronger points. Are guards enough? in place, wardens? The idea is that is a batiallon not super expensive but strong enough to be used for something. (EDIT: so, buying only 2 boxes of guards is enough?) I'm biased because I run pure Custodes, the issue is they take up a tonne of points, but the most efficient battalion that'll actually survive and do things is probably the following: HQ: Shield Captain Shield Captain Troops 3 x Custodian Guard, 2 x Spear 1 x Shield 3 x Custodian Guard, 2 x Spear 1 x Shield 3 x Custodian Guard, 2 x Spear 1 x Shield Elite Vexillus Praetor - Spear, Vexilla Magnifica That will give you two captains with reroll 1 bubbles for the guard, plus the Magnifica Vexilla gives all units within range a -1 to hit from enemy fire. It's a very tanky force that just never really dies to sustained fire. On top of that you could add a Supreme Command detachment with 3 bike captains, but that doesn't leave you with many points for your Primaris army. That's why most people run an IG Battalion instead with 2 Company Commanders and 3 squads of Cadian troops. Kurov's Aquila and Grand Strategist and you get 5 CP plus a CP farm for ~270 pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Shield Captains on Dawneagle bikes - hurricanes or rockets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Shield Captains on Dawneagle bikes - hurricanes or rockets? Always Hurricane bolters. If you need anti-tank either charge and use spears, or bring any kind of long rang anti-tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 well well well, that make 480 for captains and 489 for the 3*3 (in fact 3*(2+1)). I'll go with suprem command firts and see.... Main force is full Primaris or full Mechanicus (eventually with knight) How to equip the captain? Misericordia? Is this a different model from the spear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 well well well, that make 480 for captains and 489 for the 3*3 (in fact 3*(2+1)). I'll go with suprem command firts and see.... Main force is full Primaris or full Mechanicus (eventually with knight) How to equip the captain? Misericordia? Is this a different model from the spear? Your Supreme should ideally look like this: Open the Vaults for 1 CP: 1 Extra Relic Captain on Bike - Hurricane Bolter, Interceptor Lance, Warlord: Superior Creation OR Radiant Mantle, Relic: Auric Aquilis Captain on Bike - Hurricane Bolter, Interceptor Lance, Relic: Eagle's Eye Captain on Bike - Hurricane Bolter, Interceptor Lance Misericordias are only worth getting if you have no other way to fill points. It's just an extra attack on top of the interceptor lance at S5 AP -2 D1. You just glue the dagger behind his hip in a slot next to the seat. I rarely run them since I manage to fill points other ways, but they are half decent to get extra wounds in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 If my main force is primaris or mechaicus, it seems that it is unlikely to make the bike captain a warlord? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 If my main force is primaris or mechaicus, it seems that it is unlikely to make the bike captain a warlord? Just ignore the Warlord trait thing then, it just makes him really frustrating for your opponent to actually kill. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 well well well, that make 480 for captains and 489 for the 3*3 (in fact 3*(2+1)). I'll go with suprem command firts and see.... Main force is full Primaris or full Mechanicus (eventually with knight) How to equip the captain? Misericordia? Is this a different model from the spear? Your Supreme should ideally look like this: Open the Vaults for 1 CP: 1 Extra Relic Captain on Bike - Hurricane Bolter, Interceptor Lance, Warlord: Superior Creation OR Radiant Mantle, Relic: Auric Aquilis Captain on Bike - Hurricane Bolter, Interceptor Lance, Relic: Eagle's Eye Captain on Bike - Hurricane Bolter, Interceptor Lance Misericordias are only worth getting if you have no other way to fill points. It's just an extra attack on top of the interceptor lance at S5 AP -2 D1. You just glue the dagger behind his hip in a slot next to the seat. I rarely run them since I manage to fill points other ways, but they are half decent to get extra wounds in. Sorry for the noob question, but the relic eagle's eye just improve by one the invul save. But I don't see any invul save on the captain on jetbike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5190873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsky25 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 It's a custodes universal rule - Aegis of the Emperor. It grants all custodes units a 5++ and 6+++ against mortal wounds in the psychic phase. On top of this The Emperor's Chosen provides a +1 to invulnerable saves to custodes if they are in a pure detachment. It's our equivalent of a chapter tactic really. So all custodes non-vehicles have a 4++ natively in a pure detatchment, then the Eagle's Eye provides a +1 on top of that for a combined 3++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 That makes them super tanky. Good! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Be sure to make one warlord give him the 3++ bike then another the 3++ helmet. If againt guard or eldar I'd reccomend the -1 to hit trait but fnp 5+ is also good. Victor of blood games can aid if you have points to spare and for weapons pick hurricanes (except against full 2+ lists) since you got an elite slot a deepstriking unit is also a good option Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 1. I my main is NOT custodes (primaris or mechanicus) may I put the warlord in the custodes suprem command bataillon? 2. In my list, I didn't plan to put the warlord in custode. In this case, is it worth putting 2 relics on them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 no, but marine traits are trash anyways if the custodes aren't warlords I would use just the bike relic for 1CP, mind that you have inbuilt 4++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Always take the 3++ with reroll charge relic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted November 15, 2018 Author Share Posted November 15, 2018 Always take the 3++ with reroll charge relic. I looked through the relics and couldn't find this one. Which one is the reroll charge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Always take the 3++ with reroll charge relic. I looked through the relics and couldn't find this one. Which one is the reroll charge? Auric aquilis gives +1 to invuln and allows the bearer to reroll charges. Eagle's Eye just gives +1 to invuln. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351172-3-custodes-captain-to-add-almost-everywhere/#findComment-5191935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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