zero88 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I'm interested in how you run your TWC and what characters if any do you run with them. This isn't about how you should take Wulfen instead.. fact is that A.) TWC look way cooler and B.) a lot of people have them since they come in the starter box, so how to best make use of them? My best thoughts are a squad of 5 with Storm Shields and Frost Swords or Power Axes, run with a Jump Wolf Priest with possibly the stone. I feel like people obsess with giving them Hammers, but this doesn't jive with the mounts attacks very well. Being cheaper with swords or Axes seems to keep them more focused to what they should be; a bully unit. The Priest I think is best to run them since being 3W models they are the best candidate for healing balms, but the argument could definitely be made for a WGBL on a Thunderwolf. What say you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I think you’re spot on with keeping them cheaper and doubling down on the mount attacks. I’m going to give them a go v orks this sat so we’ll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5196502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Yeah pretty much what you've said. They're better at staying about that wulfen but don't put out the damage. They're a pretty good unit for keeping characters covered with such a big footprint. There's something to be said for just running them with chainswords and bolt pistols and just taking 4 of them instead of 3. You loose out on the invuns but it's more bodies to get through. They're also a pretty low priority target so they're pretty unlikely to die. But this is a meta thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5196542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Two Wolf Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I'm building three with claws and shields. Exact same reasoning as yourself but I want the reroll wounds. I've also got Canis and Harald who will join up and proxy as extra dudes when not being themselves. Pretty tough can't - ignore target right there; smash tough, as I like to say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5196607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I've been debating power swords versus chain swords. After all the cheaper power weapons may be worth the investment for a bit of AP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5196636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratherdashing Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I miss power lances. That was always my dream loadout for Rule of Cool. If there had been Frost Lances in 6th it would have been amazing: if they followed the pattern Frost Lances would have been Str8 on the charge swinging at full initiative... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5196693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnavaer Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I usually run a unit of 3 or 4 to accompany my TW lord or battle leader who has a TH and SS, I give the unit shields as while it makes them pricier it also makes them a lot tougher and more reliably able to protect my character as he tears towards combat. Weapons wise I normally have one TW with a heavy hitting weapon (TH or PF) and the rest with either chainswords or power swords/axes, its a trade off between price and survivability and means you can allocate wounds depending on what needs to live the longest. I've found they don't get targeted as much as they used to but can still move across the board quickly and with a good base size can tie things up even if they don't hit as hard anymore. Just my 2 cents Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5197432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrys Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I've been debating power swords versus chain swords. After all the cheaper power weapons may be worth the investment for a bit of AP. Keep in mind that you're not just giving up the points -- you're also giving up the chainsword's extra attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5199103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yeah and that's why I need to sit down and math it out to see which is actually better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351374-thunderwolf-package-loadouts/#findComment-5199200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrys Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 It depends on what you're fighting. e.g. Chainswords kill more against boyz and poxwalkers. Power sword kills more against guardsmen, but maybe is less points efficient. Against tougher stuff it seems like the power sword is more efficient. I'm convincing myself to give them a power weapon... but, I guess this is assuming that you're attacking the whole time -- i.e. the power weapon is less efficient on the models who die before they get into combat... maybe do like two guys with power weapons and one guy with a chainsword, who takes the first hits?Here's a simulation result (paste into a .csv maybe). It's PAWG instead of TWC, but, the rank should be right. unit1,unit2,pts_killed_per_turn,pts_killed_per_turn_per_pts5-pawg-cs,boyz-target-dummy,32.9347,0.43915-pawg-claws,boyz-target-dummy,55.1460,0.38035-pawg-maul,boyz-target-dummy,35.6902,0.37575-pawg-claw,boyz-target-dummy,45.0437,0.36035-pawg-axe,boyz-target-dummy,35.9091,0.35915-pawg-pp,boyz-target-dummy,39.2726,0.35705-pawg-frost-sword,boyz-target-dummy,35.7643,0.32515-pawg-sword,boyz-target-dummy,29.1206,0.30655-pawg-frost-axe,boyz-target-dummy,35.7746,0.28625-pawg-fist,boyz-target-dummy,34.7871,0.25775-pawg-hammer,boyz-target-dummy,34.3860,0.22185-pawg-hammer,crisis-suit-target-dummy,138.9961,0.89675-pawg-fist,crisis-suit-target-dummy,85.3088,0.63195-pawg-claws,crisis-suit-target-dummy,83.3803,0.57505-pawg-claw,crisis-suit-target-dummy,63.0356,0.50435-pawg-frost-sword,crisis-suit-target-dummy,54.2869,0.49355-pawg-pp,crisis-suit-target-dummy,50.4301,0.45855-pawg-maul,crisis-suit-target-dummy,43.2804,0.45565-pawg-frost-axe,crisis-suit-target-dummy,56.3865,0.45115-pawg-axe,crisis-suit-target-dummy,43.6111,0.43615-pawg-sword,crisis-suit-target-dummy,37.2921,0.39255-pawg-cs,crisis-suit-target-dummy,23.9531,0.31945-pawg-hammer,dreadnought-target-dummy,122.9259,0.79315-pawg-fist,dreadnought-target-dummy,89.1718,0.66055-pawg-claws,dreadnought-target-dummy,55.8410,0.38515-pawg-claw,dreadnought-target-dummy,40.6857,0.32555-pawg-sword,dreadnought-target-dummy,29.9887,0.31575-pawg-pp,dreadnought-target-dummy,33.9976,0.30915-pawg-frost-sword,dreadnought-target-dummy,29.8323,0.27125-pawg-axe,dreadnought-target-dummy,23.5824,0.23585-pawg-cs,dreadnought-target-dummy,16.8530,0.22475-pawg-frost-axe,dreadnought-target-dummy,22.7810,0.18225-pawg-maul,dreadnought-target-dummy,16.6630,0.17545-pawg-cs,GEQ-target-dummy,18.1423,0.24195-pawg-sword,GEQ-target-dummy,22.9337,0.24145-pawg-pp,GEQ-target-dummy,24.9417,0.22675-pawg-claws,GEQ-target-dummy,30.6143,0.21115-pawg-maul,GEQ-target-dummy,19.8257,0.20875-pawg-frost-sword,GEQ-target-dummy,22.7303,0.20665-pawg-claw,GEQ-target-dummy,25.0080,0.20015-pawg-axe,GEQ-target-dummy,19.9029,0.19905-pawg-frost-axe,GEQ-target-dummy,23.4291,0.18745-pawg-fist,GEQ-target-dummy,21.8720,0.16205-pawg-hammer,GEQ-target-dummy,21.9057,0.14135-pawg-claws,gh-target-dummy,74.5017,0.51385-pawg-frost-sword,gh-target-dummy,54.4437,0.49495-pawg-claw,gh-target-dummy,57.8240,0.46265-pawg-axe,gh-target-dummy,45.4113,0.45415-pawg-sword,gh-target-dummy,43.1293,0.45405-pawg-pp,gh-target-dummy,45.1786,0.41075-pawg-fist,gh-target-dummy,53.9209,0.39945-pawg-cs,gh-target-dummy,29.1419,0.38865-pawg-maul,gh-target-dummy,36.5631,0.38495-pawg-frost-axe,gh-target-dummy,46.9547,0.37565-pawg-hammer,gh-target-dummy,54.5077,0.35175-pawg-hammer,heldrake-target-dummy,94.9751,0.61275-pawg-fist,heldrake-target-dummy,56.1861,0.41625-pawg-claws,heldrake-target-dummy,36.7431,0.25345-pawg-claw,heldrake-target-dummy,22.5154,0.18015-pawg-pp,heldrake-target-dummy,9.0231,0.08205-pawg-axe,heldrake-target-dummy,3.5357,0.03545-pawg-frost-sword,heldrake-target-dummy,3.7054,0.03375-pawg-sword,heldrake-target-dummy,3.1963,0.03365-pawg-frost-axe,heldrake-target-dummy,3.7620,0.03015-pawg-cs,heldrake-target-dummy,0.6506,0.00875-pawg-maul,heldrake-target-dummy,0.7071,0.00745-pawg-hammer,knight-target-dummy,96.1595,0.62045-pawg-fist,knight-target-dummy,57.0743,0.42285-pawg-claws,knight-target-dummy,46.2431,0.31895-pawg-claw,knight-target-dummy,9.2746,0.07425-pawg-frost-sword,knight-target-dummy,0.5837,0.00535-pawg-axe,knight-target-dummy,0.0649,0.00065-pawg-frost-axe,knight-target-dummy,0.0649,0.00055-pawg-cs,knight-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-maul,knight-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-pp,knight-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-sword,knight-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-hammer,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,78.6523,0.50745-pawg-fist,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,49.7714,0.36875-pawg-claws,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,40.7643,0.28115-pawg-claw,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,15.5071,0.12415-pawg-frost-sword,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,4.3179,0.03935-pawg-axe,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,0.5571,0.00565-pawg-frost-axe,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,0.6500,0.00525-pawg-pp,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,0.0929,0.00085-pawg-cs,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-maul,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-sword,land-raider-crusader-target-dummy,0.0000,0.00005-pawg-hammer,nurgle-prince,75.3449,0.48615-pawg-fist,nurgle-prince,46.6226,0.34545-pawg-claws,nurgle-prince,33.6343,0.23205-pawg-claw,nurgle-prince,23.8629,0.19095-pawg-pp,nurgle-prince,20.9571,0.19055-pawg-frost-axe,nurgle-prince,21.4457,0.17165-pawg-maul,nurgle-prince,13.1143,0.13805-pawg-axe,nurgle-prince,10.9800,0.10985-pawg-sword,nurgle-prince,10.1571,0.10695-pawg-frost-sword,nurgle-prince,10.2857,0.09355-pawg-cs,nurgle-prince,4.6029,0.06145-pawg-cs,plaguebearer-target-dummy,16.6250,0.22175-pawg-pp,plaguebearer-target-dummy,17.2440,0.15685-pawg-maul,plaguebearer-target-dummy,14.6170,0.15395-pawg-axe,plaguebearer-target-dummy,14.8250,0.14825-pawg-claws,plaguebearer-target-dummy,21.4270,0.14785-pawg-claw,plaguebearer-target-dummy,18.3430,0.14675-pawg-frost-sword,plaguebearer-target-dummy,14.7640,0.13425-pawg-sword,plaguebearer-target-dummy,12.2140,0.12865-pawg-frost-axe,plaguebearer-target-dummy,14.7170,0.11775-pawg-fist,plaguebearer-target-dummy,15.5120,0.11495-pawg-hammer,plaguebearer-target-dummy,17.2640,0.11145-pawg-claws,plague-marine-target-dummy,57.8409,0.39895-pawg-claw,plague-marine-target-dummy,43.1623,0.34535-pawg-hammer,plague-marine-target-dummy,51.7701,0.33405-pawg-fist,plague-marine-target-dummy,45.0113,0.33345-pawg-frost-sword,plague-marine-target-dummy,36.4595,0.33155-pawg-maul,plague-marine-target-dummy,30.4284,0.32035-pawg-frost-axe,plague-marine-target-dummy,39.0609,0.31255-pawg-pp,plague-marine-target-dummy,34.2529,0.31145-pawg-axe,plague-marine-target-dummy,30.3990,0.30405-pawg-sword,plague-marine-target-dummy,26.3945,0.27785-pawg-cs,plague-marine-target-dummy,17.7723,0.23705-pawg-cs,poxwalker-target-dummy,34.8683,0.46495-pawg-pp,poxwalker-target-dummy,39.0296,0.35485-pawg-maul,poxwalker-target-dummy,31.8171,0.33495-pawg-sword,poxwalker-target-dummy,27.3326,0.28775-pawg-axe,poxwalker-target-dummy,27.2794,0.27285-pawg-claw,poxwalker-target-dummy,33.5494,0.26845-pawg-frost-axe,poxwalker-target-dummy,32.0109,0.25615-pawg-claws,poxwalker-target-dummy,36.9026,0.25455-pawg-frost-sword,poxwalker-target-dummy,27.4766,0.24985-pawg-fist,poxwalker-target-dummy,30.9566,0.22935-pawg-hammer,poxwalker-target-dummy,34.1229,0.22015-pawg-hammer,rhino-target-dummy,53.4240,0.34475-pawg-fist,rhino-target-dummy,38.3616,0.28425-pawg-claws,rhino-target-dummy,23.1120,0.15945-pawg-claw,rhino-target-dummy,16.3029,0.13045-pawg-sword,rhino-target-dummy,11.5817,0.12195-pawg-pp,rhino-target-dummy,13.2377,0.12035-pawg-frost-sword,rhino-target-dummy,11.5303,0.10485-pawg-axe,rhino-target-dummy,9.4937,0.09495-pawg-cs,rhino-target-dummy,6.4183,0.08565-pawg-frost-axe,rhino-target-dummy,9.4834,0.07595-pawg-maul,rhino-target-dummy,6.5726,0.06925-pawg-claws,tda-ss-target-dummy,70.0695,0.48325-pawg-hammer,tda-ss-target-dummy,68.7104,0.44335-pawg-maul,tda-ss-target-dummy,41.0711,0.43235-pawg-claw,tda-ss-target-dummy,52.0515,0.41645-pawg-axe,tda-ss-target-dummy,41.4753,0.41485-pawg-fist,tda-ss-target-dummy,54.0446,0.40035-pawg-frost-sword,tda-ss-target-dummy,41.3740,0.37615-pawg-sword,tda-ss-target-dummy,32.7730,0.34505-pawg-cs,tda-ss-target-dummy,25.2349,0.33655-pawg-frost-axe,tda-ss-target-dummy,41.1915,0.32955-pawg-pp,tda-ss-target-dummy,36.1192,0.32845-pawg-hammer,tda-target-dummy,88.3378,0.56995-pawg-fist,tda-target-dummy,71.0890,0.52665-pawg-claws,tda-target-dummy,70.0869,0.48345-pawg-frost-sword,tda-target-dummy,51.4491,0.46775-pawg-claw,tda-target-dummy,51.5540,0.41245-pawg-sword,tda-target-dummy,38.7098,0.40755-pawg-axe,tda-target-dummy,40.2132,0.40215-pawg-pp,tda-target-dummy,36.4871,0.33175-pawg-frost-axe,tda-target-dummy,39.7606,0.31815-pawg-maul,tda-target-dummy,27.5617,0.29015-pawg-cs,tda-target-dummy,16.8046,0.22415-pawg-hammer,twc-ss-target-dummy,58.4787,0.37735-pawg-maul,twc-ss-target-dummy,29.4177,0.30975-pawg-cs,twc-ss-target-dummy,22.9191,0.30565-pawg-claws,twc-ss-target-dummy,40.6688,0.28055-pawg-fist,twc-ss-target-dummy,37.5268,0.27805-pawg-pp,twc-ss-target-dummy,29.0714,0.26435-pawg-claw,twc-ss-target-dummy,32.9571,0.26375-pawg-frost-axe,twc-ss-target-dummy,29.3429,0.23475-pawg-axe,twc-ss-target-dummy,22.8357,0.22845-pawg-frost-sword,twc-ss-target-dummy,22.8714,0.20795-pawg-sword,twc-ss-target-dummy,16.6643,0.1754 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