thymidine Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Hey all, I have a friend who has a vanilla SM army (Raven Guard successors) and he seems to really be struggling to beat my Space Wolves in just about every game. I realize that vanilla SM may be the best matchup for SW (Emperor's Executioners and all that), but I know the games should be closer than they have been. I haven't been playing anything too crazy (no Wulfen, lots of Grey Hunters, etc.) and I just wanted to ask you guys what you would bring to beat the Rout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 What’s your army list ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5198780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thymidine Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Here's what I brought to our last game: ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [60 PL, 1151pts] ++ + HQ + Rune Priest [7 PL, 126pts]: 4. Fury of the Wolf Spirits, 5. Storm Caller, Jump Packs, Runic axe, Storm bolter Wolf Lord [6 PL, 118pts]: Frost axe, Jump Packs, Saga of the Wolfkin, Storm shield, Warlord + Troops + Grey Hunters [7 PL, 137pts] . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe . 2x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer Grey Hunters [7 PL, 137pts] . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe . 2x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifles, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Pack Leader + Elites + Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 202pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod, Onslaught Gatling Cannon + Fast Attack + Fenrisian Wolves [2 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fenrisian Wolf Fenrisian Wolves [2 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fenrisian Wolf Fenrisian Wolves [2 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fenrisian Wolf + Heavy Support + Long Fangs [12 PL, 221pts] . Long Fang: Plasma cannon . Long Fang: Plasma cannon . Long Fang: Plasma cannon . Long Fang: Plasma cannon . Long Fang: Plasma cannon . Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Power sword, Storm bolter ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [48 PL, 832pts] ++ + HQ + Iron Priest on Thunderwolf [7 PL, 113pts]: Boltgun, Servo-arm, Thunder hammer Ulrik The Slayer [6 PL, 110pts] + Troops + Grey Hunters [7 PL, 125pts] . Grey Hunter Pack Leader . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer Grey Hunters [7 PL, 125pts] . Grey Hunter Pack Leader . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifles, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Pack Leader + Fast Attack + Fenrisian Wolves [4 PL, 48pts]: 6x Fenrisian Wolf Fenrisian Wolves [4 PL, 56pts]: 7x Fenrisian Wolf + Heavy Support + Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma Incinerator . 4x Hellblaster . Hellblaster Pack Leader: Bolt pistol ++ Total: [108 PL, 1983pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5198811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [114 PL, 1998pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard **Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard Gametype: Matched Relics of the Chapter (3CP) Use Beta Rules + HQ + Captain [6 PL, 129pts]: Jump Pack, Raven's Fury, Silent Stalker, Storm shield, Thunder hammer, Warlord Captain [6 PL, 129pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer Librarian [7 PL, 139pts]: 3) Psychic Scourge, 6) Null Zone, Combi-melta, Force stave, Jump Pack + Troops + Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher . 4x Intercessor . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher . 4x Intercessor . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword . 4x Scout w/Combat Knife Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword . 4x Scout w/Combat Knife Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat knife . 4x Scout w/Combat Knife Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] . Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat knife . 4x Scout w/Combat Knife + Fast Attack + Inceptor Squad [20 PL, 354pts]: 5x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant, Plasma Exterminator Inceptor Squad [20 PL, 354pts]: 5x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant, Plasma Exterminator + Heavy Support + Thunderfire Cannon [6 PL, 121pts] . Techmarine Gunner . . Servo-harness: Flamer, Plasma cutter, 2x Servo-arm + Flyer + Stormraven Gunship [15 PL, 352pts]: Twin assault cannon, Twin multi-melta, Two Hurricane Bolters, Two Stormstrike Missile Launchers ++ Total: [114 PL, 1998pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5198904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 It’s actually two battalions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5198905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Pretty sure you need 4 HQs for 2 battalions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5198933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Battle Scribe is being all wonky. Drop a scout squad for another techmarine . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5198939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thymidine Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Thanks for the advice, I'll let him know your suggestions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 You’re welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Wouldn't dropping a scout squad leave him 1 troop choice shy of a second battalion as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Okay drop the TFC for another HQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thymidine Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 I really like the TFC idea because of the Tremor Shells stratagem. It would really neuter whatever my scariest melee unit is each round. He really hates primaris marines, but I'll try to talk him into getting a few. The inceptors really seem strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I really like the TFC idea because of the Tremor Shells stratagem. It would really neuter whatever my scariest melee unit is each round. He really hates primaris marines, but I'll try to talk him into getting a few. The inceptors really seem strong. Yeah, I empathize with him on that, but I reckon 12 plasma spitting jump turtles are about as anti MEQ as C:SM units get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The Inceptors with a Captain close by make stuff go away quick. I don’t know off the top of my head how to get the tfc back in the list but it’s great versus meleecentric armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Drop an Inceptor from each squad and you nearly have enough for the TFC. You could skim the last bit of points by downgrading the Captains' toys to cheaper alternatives. Or, you could replace the Raven's multi-melta with a heavy bolter and get a few extra points to burn elsewhere. Aside from the Wolf Redemptor, there doesn't seem to be much need for the multi-melta, while the rest of the gunboat is already well suited to mowing down big numbers of infantry. With heavy bolters, assault cannons and hurricanes, the Raven could make short work of all those Fenrisian Wolves. Throw in the TFC and he's got a pretty decent defense against those bitey buggers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5199802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Doesn't 5 units of Fenrisian wolves break the rule of 3? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5200263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Not open play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5200413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thymidine Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Doesn't 5 units of Fenrisian wolves break the rule of 3? Yeah, honestly I didn't even think about this until you mentioned it. We were just playing a casual game but I probably should've grouped them up into 3 squads instead. It had no impact on the game, however. The board we were playing on had tons of ruins and all of the objectives were on the 2nd floors of buildings, so none of the fen. wolves could interact with anything important all game. They basically just ran around the board doing nothing (except giving up kill points). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5200665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Sounds more like it was narrative . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351435-help-building-a-list-to-beat-sw/#findComment-5200685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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