Charlo Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 While it's not much to play around, the Emperor's Spears give us our first new chapter tactic since the codex was released and it's kinda cool...! Accessed by buying the Limited Edition of the new novel by ADB. In the Fight Phase, unmodified To Hit rolls of a 6 generate 2 hits instead of 1. How would you go about using this? Is there any viability in loading up on attacks to generate more 6s? How do you think it compares to the other tactics available? With 2A base, even the humble Primaris Intercessor brings a decent weight of attacks to use this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 i think it makes multi damage weapons potentially great! very very nice chapter tactic for sure Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5201917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I'm assuming that this is for CC only? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5201920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 I'm assuming that this is for CC only? Yes! Sorry - edited the OP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5201921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I don't think it really needs a tactica beyond 'have more combat units'. Reolls to hit become more useful. Powerfists not so bad. 6D from a thunderhammer on an exploding his is nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5201936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Assault Terminators and Vanguard Vets are better for sure. Bringing a Chaplain along for the ride is also worth the cost! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 So.... They're basically better at CC than Blood Angels or Space Wolves. HA! I love it :lol: Hmm... It's interesting, this Chapter Tactic is quite good for Assault Marines/Vanguard Veterans. I'm trying to think on if any Primaris squads could even utilize it. Hmm... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I would disagree with that. Getting an additonal hit on a 6 is super unreliable and is only really strong on attacks with a good weapon. +1 to-hit and +1 to-wound is super reliable and is good on any kind of attack. Not to mention that SW and BA have special melee oriented units but that's for a different topic. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Very interesting. Perhaps also the Teeth of Terra of Relic Chainsword because its extra attacks mean a more likely chance of getting those natural 6s, then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Reivers with combat knives? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I don't know if it's because I'm worse at math than a Operations Manager should be, or too tired, but I can't figure out how good this is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 It's math wise equivalent to Space Wolves, which sounds awesome except that your models are not Space Wolves rolling around with additional CC attacks, or nearby Wulfen. Yeah, on a guy with a thunder hammer it could be pretty nice. How many of those are in your army and how many attacks does that model have?BL: You're running codex space marines as a close combat army why? (Acceptable answer: because I love the Black Templars and read Helsreach. Unacceptable answer: because I want to win games.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Its not a bad tactic in vacuum but like Ive said elsewhere the problem with close combat in the vanilla codex is that its not a supported playstyle, its an afterthought meant to complement your shooting and the only way to fix it is by giving the codex assault stratagems, assault buffs and just having units that are good in CC because so far theres like two units for assault, vanguard veterans and company vets but I doubt this will change because it might step on BA and SWs. To offer some perspective, Black Templars get extra attacks on 6s, +1S and reroll charges AND STILL arent very good in assault because the codex is not for assault armies and its more obvious when you compare it to BA/SW who get stratagems, characters and units to make a good assault army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 that are good in CC because so far theres like two units for assault, vanguard veterans and company vets but I doubt this will change because it might step on BA and SWs. Well there are also Assault Terminators and Assault Centurions, however those are just generally not good for their points which has nothing to do with them being a melee unit or not. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 It's actually a good Tactic, for example it's better than what Ork Goffs get. The big issue is the lack of CC focus in the actual units. If the next wave of Primaris introduces some great CC units or methods of reliably getting good volumes of models into combat this could be a big, big winner. Here's a possibility;. With the new Veteran detachment coming in the Vigilus book, imagine if you could make Reivers into Veterans who gain an additional attack. Now imagine their knives gain -1 AP (As they should be!). Suddenly you're looking at 10 Reivers hitting with 41 attacks that generate an additional hit on a 6. This unit would be pretty darn good! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 SW hitting on +1 is better since this affects every roll. BA wounding +1 is the best imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Yeah the tactic itself isn't bad. It's just the wrong army for such a tactic so far. That's like giving T'au the Blood Angels tactic for one of their Septs ... yay for +1 on the to wound roll with units with a low amount of bad hitting attacks without AP and/or multiple damage. :D (I'm of couse exaggerating) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5202774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I wonder if you can double up on this between the stratagem from Vigilus and Emperor's spears CT meaning you do 3 hits rather than 2 on 6s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5210139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I wonder if you can double up on this between the stratagem from Vigilus and Emperor's spears CT meaning you do 3 hits rather than 2 on 6s. I think not. Both rules stipulate unmodified hit rolls of 6 count as 2 hits, rather than additional hits. So no stacking, I'm afraid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5210188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 That makes sense to me. Lots to look forward to in any case. Perry excited about the Spears. I'm going to do a blog on them soon! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5211015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Reiver Spam with Combat Blades Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5211144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Reiver Spam with Combat Blades Or just the Indomitus Crusader detachment and turn your Intercessors into Veterans. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5211679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Reiver Spam with Combat Blades Or just the Indomitus Crusader detachment and turn your Intercessors into Veterans. ^^ That's what I plan on doing. I just have to decide if I'm going to paint tridents over their helmets or if I'm just going to use the stratagem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5211759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Reiver Spam with Combat Blades Or just the Indomitus Crusader detachment and turn your Intercessors into Veterans. ^^ That's what I plan on doing. I just have to decide if I'm going to paint tridents over their helmets or if I'm just going to use the stratagem. I'm actually thinking about magnetizing a unit of 10 Intercessors so I can swap out heads. Maybe I'll go so far and do it for the pauldrons as well. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5211769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I'll figure it out. I may just do 2 squads as vets and still count the detachment as such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351523-emperors-spears-tactica/#findComment-5211903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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