Chris521 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Well this is gonna be interesting. Mostly decreases from what I see. Shadowsword went up a bit. Mech guard may be a thing again. 5 point vets, cheaper chimera, special weapons going down, plus whatever the formation brings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Here's the leaks comrades: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Looks good for us. But I've seen the other leaks too, a lot of other units/wargear have had points reductions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So no 5ppm Guardsmen confirmed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I think my lists went down considerably! :D /dances Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickstick Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So no 5ppm Guardsmen confirmed? Well photos of two consecutive pages, with the list going from hydra to lord commissar on the page change. Infantry Squad would be between the two, so is not on the list. I'd say as confirmed as you can from photos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finkmilkana Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So no 5ppm Guardsmen confirmed? Well photos of two consecutive pages, with the list going from hydra to lord commissar on the page change. Infantry Squad would be between the two, so is not on the list. I'd say as confirmed as you can from photos. Where is that second page with the lord commissar? The one posted in this threat (and that I saw elders here) are one that ends at hydra and one that is only forgeworld (starts with a Leman Russ variant). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I think my lists went down considerably! /dances I think the end result will be so does everyone else's... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Chimeras going down alone makes me happy. Very happy. 15 points brings them into the usable range, where they should be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I'm liking what I've seen, overall (i.e. not just Guard). As I mentioned in the N&R topic I feel this is aimed at correcting some of the internal problems so better balance there will help armies be more rounded. This is great news, and while I don't think it'll impact the larger picture a great deal it is surely a good foundation at the least. I'm keen to see everything now and get to the table top! Or rather more so that before Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Veterans actualy down to 5ppm? Thats better as i dared to dream^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 It looks like most units went down for every army... It looks like they internally balanced all the codex's but instead of putting powerful units up in cost, they put everything else down. Makes sense to sell more toys I guess and better internal balance is always welcome. I won't feel quite so handicapped taking Veterans in Chimeras now which is nice :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickstick Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 More complete list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Hurray! Might even think about including some Chimeras, Veterans, Ratlings, etc, now. Surprised the Astropath got reduced though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
our_baz Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Not all doom and gloom then. One thing I will add the Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company has piqued my interest. More of a reason to get a wyvern and bring my MoO to the party. @wassa strange on the astropath, I already thought they were under costed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I hope they change MoO and get rid of that minimum range limitation, then it will actually be usable! We will actually have viable Elite choices now :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5208984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
our_baz Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I was thinking of just bringing the MoO, to baby sit Artillery tanks for the Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company bonus (+1AP, and relic for no cover for targets). Sorry slightly OT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Tank Commanders at 142p...is that a 25p reduction? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronster486 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Tank Commanders at 142p...is that a 25p reduction? Sure is. Now I'm thinking about switching Pask for a normal Tank Commander in my 500 point list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Seeing as we have seen the points adjustments leaked from this years CA I have created this thread to focus discussion surrounding it and what it means for your lists. I don't have time at the moment to do a review and breakdown of all the changes, but don't let that stop any Frater from adding in here for the convenience of others! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZakalwe Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Tank Commanders at 142p...is that a 25p reduction? It is an it's glorious. Plasma cannons and executioner plasma cannons also went down 5 points so that's a 40 point reduction on the total plasma executioner. Overlapping fields of fire here we come! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickstick Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Techpriests are a bit cheaper, as servo arms are free. That's a nice little boost. A plasma servitor is only 15 now too, although I'm not a fan of servitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZakalwe Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Also my Volkite + autocannon sponson Carnodon will drop to 104. It already performed admirably Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickstick Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Eradicator nova cannon is actually alright at 15, especially if cover is more abundant with rule changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallofStovokor Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 This does create a problem for the battle cannon. It is now the most expensive gun you can equip a leman russ with. After the demolisher got a huge point reduction, it is now the most expensive gun to be used by the leman russ. It is still useful, but it begs a question. Is it worth taking a battle cannon over a basilisk or executioner when it's 2D6 shot (grinding advance) S8, -2AP, D3 damage? It gets the same number of shots, and strength as an overcharged executioner with an inferior AP and an inferior average damage output. The range is the only real utility it has,but that's beaten by the basilisk which shoots a S9 -3AP D3 damage round and it doesn't have to expose itself. With a 5 point reduction to the executioner and 10 points for 2 plasma sponsons, the battle cannon is obsolete. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352174-guard-and-2018-chapter-approved/#findComment-5209235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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