Ninjoe42 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Thoughts on point changes? I have no idea if this forum allows leaked material, if not please delete! http://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Mytre Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Copied from the other thread: Apothecary - 75 (Was 90 = -15p)BroCap - 110 (Was 150 = -40p)BroAnc - 90 (Was 128 = -38p)BroChamp - 90 (Was 113 = -23p)Chappy - 105 (Was 144 = -39p)Dread - 65 (Was 87 = -22p)GM - 130 (Was 160 = -30p)GMNDK - 170 (Was 190 = -20p)Interceptors - 21 (Was 23 = -2p)LR - 200 (Was 239 = -39p)LRC - 200 (Was 244 = -44p)LRR - 180 (Was 244 = -64)Libby - 113 (Was 157 = -44p)PallyAnc - 98 (Was 140 = -42p)Pallies - 47 (Was 53 = --6p)Puries - 19 (Was 26 = -7p)Razor - 70 (Was 70 = carried over)Servitors - 5 (Was 2 = +3p) ?SR - 192 (Was 192 = carried over)TechMarine - 55 (Was 91 = -44p) [Even cheaper still, servo arms dropped from 12 > 0 and plasma cutters from 7 > 5]Termies - 39 (Was 41 = -2p)VenDread - 85 (Was 110 = -25p)Stern - 105 (Was 157 = -52p)Crowe - 80 (Was 125 = -45p)Voldus - 153 (Was 190 = -37p)Draigo - 180 (Was 240 = -60p) Hurricane Bolters - 10 (Was 20 = -10p)H. Incinerator - 19 (Was 40 = -21p)H. Psycannon - 24 (Was 30 = -6p)Incinerator - 9 (Was 14 = -5p)Psycannon - 7 (11 for termies) (Was 14/20 = -7/9p)Psilencer for Termies - 8 (Was 10 = -2p)Incinerator for termies - 13 (Was 20 = -7p)Twinlas - 40 (Was 50 = -10p)Twin MM - 40 (Was 54 = -14p)Typhoon - 38 (Was 50 = -12p)ML - 20 (Was 25 = -5p) Plasma Cannon - 16 (Was 21 = -5p) Twin Assault Cannon - 44 (Was 44 = carried over) TWIN LINKED PLASMA CANNONS ARE NOW CORRECTLY COSTED LOL. 60p > 24p My take away from all this is that you never use strikes again, just use Interceptors with a loyal 32 for your CP. Then spam the out of characters. EDIT: Unless there are rule changes of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Paladins seem a better option than termis libbi 130 with ss? Sign me in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Fortis Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Paladins were better options than termies since the Index. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soder Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Cheaper “garbage” is still “garbage”. Like was being said all along I feel the majority of us would have preferred it if they had of just made our units better and kept the higher points cost. It is what it is tho I guess. Even with the big cost reduction to techmarines will anyone even use them now? And why servitor point increase? They were too op I guess?.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Fortis Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Take note, that other armies got cheaper too and there are almost no nerfs. This is the final nail in GK coffin, I am afraid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarion Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Underwhelming, especially with what they said in the community post. Tau got better point drops that are actually exciting compared to what GK got. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjoe42 Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 Im honestly pretty excited for the big point drops, but I'm hoping it'll be magnified by new Smite rules that'll make them more worth their points! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinkosh Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Im honestly pretty excited for the big point drops, but I'm hoping it'll be magnified by new Smite rules that'll make them more worth their points! Not to be another brother on the 'wagon of woe' here, but not a single credible leak or preview has mentioned something as big as our entire army getting a rebuilt smite. Don't misunderstand, maybe with that our points would make a little more sense but I wont not be getting your hopes up for 'full smite'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Im honestly pretty excited for the big point drops, but I'm hoping it'll be magnified by new Smite rules that'll make them more worth their points!big point drops? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCastigator Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 There are still a bunch of tweaked data sheets we haven’t seen. If it’s just points, then yes, it will be a disappointment. But let’s give it a couple of days before rage quitting (for real this time). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdigitalGK Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I'll have to agree I don't see GK's as the big winner as GW community site has stated. My other armies have better/more effective point reductions that has me more excited then the GK list. Overall here's what I've noted: 1: All power armor are created equal 19 ppm for GK power armor pts added to interceptors for added ability 2: Characters massively reduced; but that was done across the board. This is where we got most of our points on a model basis. 3: weapons were the one area I see they did the most balancing. I might take a look at our other ranged weapon options now... and by other I pretty much mean only incinerator psycannon is still bad 4: Pushing for people to use dreadnaughts, they are an iconic unit and we might see them more often especially with astral aim. With the amount of points saved we get... not much where it matters. I can see GK's being taken more often as an allied detachment using a patrol detachment (HQ of choice paladins and apothecary) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I can't access the pictures on my phone, but what is the points cost for twin autocannon? Did it change? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronos Darkhelmet Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 To be honest, it seems to me that the funeral Mass for us can just start to be played now :) Better had been if Titan were swallowed whole in the Cicatrix by accident right at the start of the 8th edition :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STTAB Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Still need to see if there are any rules changes. A few thoughts A land raider is now 297 (previously 356) points with 2 twin lass and twin heavy bolter. Unlike most others, if it gets tagged it can be gated out... Possibly by a (now) super cheap psychic techmarine you used to fill out a battalion. You can fit 10 dudes in there and hide a squad or two behind it. Storm raven weapons got cheaper and so did Razorbacks. Transports are definitely looking better with the points changes and prepared positions stratagem. Ancients got really big drops. +1 attack will be a big help. And we can double our auras with the stratagem. I'm looking forward to bringing GK to the table. Most likely allied with BA or Ravenwing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 My 2k imperial guard army got a proportionally bigger discount than my 2.5 grey knight list did. I've been playing gk/dh since 2003, but unless the full smite or new strategems or something else changes, we are the Bretonnians (my fantasy army) of 40k. Just about had it with GW at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Landraider still have the huge problem of being an expensive transport/heavy weapon platform hybrid that can get disabled by a single model. Expensive weapon platforms are fine since they usually stay back and shoot so are protected by the rest of the army, however with a transport you want to get right into the middle of the enemy army where is no protection and your opponent can just charge it and all your protection and heavy weapons you paid so many points for will be useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5209978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Fortis Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Ok, there are several book review videos. Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new for GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Fantastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdigitalGK Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Ok, there are several book review videos. Only Intercessors and chaos daemons got updated datasheets. So there is 100% nothing new for GK. link to any good ones? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Fortis Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I watched this one. The guy even stated himself, that there are no rule changes for GK and showed all pages then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdigitalGK Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I HEREBY BANISH MY GREY KNIGHTS TO THE SELF! You are to remain there in shame as GW doesn't know what to do with you and discard you as useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STTAB Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 So no other rules. Well now I know where everything lies I can start planning. With regards to the land raider you have options to de-tag it. Gate it out of combat or keep crowe and or purifiers nearby for D6 smite. Dark angels have a 2cp startagem to fall back and shoot and all other marines can do f all. With so many hordes around people are packing lots of anti infantry. A whole army with a 2+ save could stick around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 In a vacuum, the Grey Knights points reductions were reasonable, not great but decent. When you realise nearly every other faction got similar or better reductions, you realise the Grey Knights ones are pretty much worthless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I HEREBY BANISH MY GREY KNIGHTS TO THE SELF! You are to remain there in shame as GW doesn't know what to do with you and discard you as useless.Just proxy them as something. Give them Bolters and Plasma Guns and have silver Dark Angels ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352175-leak-discussion/#findComment-5210355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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