BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Will you consider using Trajann now with the amazing drop in points? He seems almost too good to be true now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I can’t officially answer this as my bias has me believing he is the coolest dude in the 40k universe with an axe! Realistically though as good as the point drop is, it only leaves room to help allies out... or add some misericordias. I wish the Allarus saw the real drop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordofmandulis Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I will be, I used him intermittently before, and now I think his cost is just about right, I'll likely be deepstriking him in with some terms. He can easily make that back if he gets to hit something big, he's probably still not the most optimal choice, but now we can at least run him without handicapping the list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I saw enough of a points drop in my main army to replace a shield captain with Trajaan. I don't have enough bikes to run a pure bikes list so I shoehorn a basic Custode battalion for extra CP, and he's gonna be in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Yeah, he is worth considering now where as before he was a write off. I still don’t think I’d take him in anything less than a 2k game though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 *Glances at profile pic* I'm probably as biased as Prot here, but... He's quite the monster for his points now, some excellent flexibility and nigh-unkillable outside of Mortal wounds. Not to mention he makes all Custodes pretty much 99.9% effective in all of their attacks just by standing near them. The only thing letting him down is the random damage on his Axe instead of a flat 3 or something. However, he will slay the enemies warlord if he makes it in contact with them - fighting twice as a free ability is absolute insanity in a CP starved army (as is his ability to gain back 1-3CP too!). Healing D3 wounds probably isn't worth it unless you're in a nail biting combat, but even then you'd probably just choose to swing again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I have already made a new list working him in, in the place of my normal bike captain. I am looking forward to testing him out on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Cool ! You run a battalion so I can see him working quite well in your type of list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5217927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Will I take him? Sometimes. Just to do so. Do I think he's worth it when I could otherwise get a normal Shield Captain AND another Custodian on top of it? No. He's not. At all. Because yeah, he got a points drop. But so did normal Shield Captains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5221427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just a question about his ability with the moment shackle. Does he get an additional (1) attack at the end of the fight phase, or does he "fight" again with the full number of attacks in his profile? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5225892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just a question about his ability with the moment shackle. Does he get an additional (1) attack at the end of the fight phase, or does he "fight" again with the full number of attacks in his profile? He fights again with all his attacks :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5225904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brimmstorm Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I played him before the points drop because I liked the character. Now he's always in my list! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5228115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 100% using him. Will I take him? Sometimes. Just to do so. Do I think he's worth it when I could otherwise get a normal Shield Captain AND another Custodian on top of it? No. He's not. At all. Because yeah, he got a points drop. But so did normal Shield Captains. Man I disagree so much. With that Str10 and re roll auras he definitely has a purpose. What other Custode has the potential to do 30 wounds to a Knight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5229639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just a question about his ability with the moment shackle. Does he get an additional (1) attack at the end of the fight phase, or does he "fight" again with the full number of attacks in his profile? He fights again with all his attacks :) Is that just straight from the codex, or is there an added faq /errata to confirm this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5229673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Fights again fully Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5229678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just a question about his ability with the moment shackle. Does he get an additional (1) attack at the end of the fight phase, or does he "fight" again with the full number of attacks in his profile? He fights again with all his attacks :)Is that just straight from the codex, or is there an added faq /errata to confirm this? I’m not aware of any faq about it but that is the correct use of the rule. The support you need, if you’ve got to prove it to someone, is in the wording. Firstly it says he piles in again. Abilities that just give you an additional attack to your stat line never let you pile in again. Secondly, it does not say Valoris fights again, it says you fight with Valoris again. It’s a small but key difference. Fighting with a unit means fighting normally with all that units abilities/attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5229808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordofmandulis Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just a question about his ability with the moment shackle. Does he get an additional (1) attack at the end of the fight phase, or does he "fight" again with the full number of attacks in his profile? He fights again with all his attacks :)Is that just straight from the codex, or is there an added faq /errata to confirm this?I’m not aware of any faq about it but that is the correct use of the rule. The support you need, if you’ve got to prove it to someone, is in the wording. Firstly it says he piles in again. Abilities that just give you an additional attack to your stat line never let you pile in again. Secondly, it does not say Valoris fights again, it says you fight with Valoris again. It’s a small but key difference. Fighting with a unit means fighting normally with all that units abilities/attacks. I have to agree, and I feel this quote from the preview article fully backs up the intention for me, if anything it's just slightly bad wording from GW but that's not a new phenomenon "Valoris is also armed with the Moment Shackle, an unusual relic of Dark Age technology which lends him some extra flexibility during your games. Once per battle, you’ll be able to pick a powerful one-time ability for Valoris, from fighting again at the end of a Fight phase to regaining lost Command Points." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5229930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Now that hes 175pts I take him every time. Thats 175pts for another 3++ save, and a s10 weapon, and on average 2cps back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5230048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 I have a new list with BA allies I am going to give him a shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5230086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Now that hes 175pts I take him every time. Thats 175pts for another 3++ save, and a s10 weapon, and on average 2cps back.Just for the sake of accuracy, he's 185pts, not 175 :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352412-valoris/#findComment-5230159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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